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Old 01-10-15, 02:37 PM
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wrt running s-a -

could the frame's existing rear spacing be a clue here as to what was before?

am fairly illiterate as to planetaries but as i recall it the s-a rears i have worked with were something like 114mm over the locknuts.

sounds like you have some fine bits in the parts bin to give you a good start on the build!

luv that hole in the shell - expect it comes in handy for the oil changes.
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
wrt running s-a -

could the frame's existing rear spacing be a clue here as to what was before?

am fairly illiterate as to planetaries but as i recall it the s-a rears i have worked with were something like 114mm over the locknuts.

sounds like you have some fine bits in the parts bin to give you a good start on the build!

luv that hole in the shell - expect it comes in handy for the oil changes.
Definitely, that'll be part of the consideration. When I was looking at the read DOs, I was thinking the spread looked a bit wider than many of my bicycles, so I grabbed a hub with 120mm spacing to see how it fit. The spacing is definitely wider than 120mm, probably 126mm or possibly even 130mm which means the frame's been cold-set at some point. I don't have my calipers handy to get a good measurement so that'll have to wait. There'll be plenty of time to work out the details of the build, that's for sure.
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Very nice!

What do you suppose that fitting on the left chainstay is for?

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What do you suppose that fitting on the left chainstay is for?
What fitting?
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Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
And here are two more... I have some pictures of the entire frameset that aren't yet uploaded.


What a lovely frame. This should be a fun build.

I copy this photo to point to the crimp in the seat tube. I was forced to deal with a similar issue with my Hilton Wrigley, and was at wit's end. . .

until I found a brass plumb bob at the hardware store. I used a bit of metal shim around the bob, but it worked like a charm.

As Harvey would say: ymmv

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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
What fitting?
The one near the BB in this picture.

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Looks like the lower pump peg, which is a bit twisted.
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u r looking at the pump peg brazed to the back side of the seat tube.

see photo nr. five in message nr. twenty-eight.
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I was looking at an optical illusion, formed by the side of the chainstay bridge that had sunlight on it. Duh.
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Originally Posted by LeicaLad View Post
What a lovely frame. This should be a fun build.

I copy this photo to point to the crimp in the seat tube. I was forced to deal with a similar issue with my Hilton Wrigley, and was at wit's end. . .

until I found a brass plumb bob at the hardware store. I used a bit of metal shim around the bob, but it worked like a charm.

As Harvey would say: ymmv

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Thanks, 'tis a neat frameset. As far as the the seat tube goes, there isn't any issue there. The way the top of the seattube is cut in combination with the angle of the picture made it look like a crimp.
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Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
Thanks, 'tis a neat frameset. As far as the the seat tube goes, there isn't any issue there. The way the top of the seattube is cut in combination with the angle of the picture made it look like a crimp.
Glad to hear this, as it just looks flat on that one side in the photo. The plumb-bob trick, however, is one to file away.

Fabulous bit of history there. I'll bet it rides like a dream. We await your progress.

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Yeah, I was a bit alarmed when I saw your message because I had inspected the frame very thoroughly. I was trying to figure out how something that obvious would have made it past me.

We plan to relocate within the next few weeks so it will need to wait until after we move.
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I really like these threads where a classic frameset in need of some TLC gets into the right hands. They are fun to follow.
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To where are you relocating? (And nice bike!)
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Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
And here are two more... I have some pictures of the entire frameset that aren't yet uploaded.

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that black hairline extending off the seat tube to the frame's drive side is just a paint flaw, yes?

This is an interesting frame, the seat tube is I guess 71 degrees or so?

As the rear triangle is so wide, this one should be reviewed to insure it is symmetrical. I would also take a straightedge to the outside of the seat stays to see how similar they are to each other too.

One to leave in its current uniform to be sure.
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To where are you relocating? (And nice bike!)
Unless the deal falls apart, we'll be moving to Williamsport.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
that black hairline extending off the seat tube to the frame's drive side is just a paint flaw, yes?

This is an interesting frame, the seat tube is I guess 71 degrees or so?

As the rear triangle is so wide, this one should be reviewed to insure it is symmetrical. I would also take a straightedge to the outside of the seat stays to see how similar they are to each other too.

One to leave in its current uniform to be sure.
Yes, the black hairline you spied in the picture is some peeling paint.

I held the frameset up against the Norman Rapide, which was advertised as 73° seat tube and 73° head tube and it seems to line up nearly perfectly with that. If this is a frameset that was assembled by Frank Herety, who seems to have built a lot of L.H. Brooke's framesets, it would appear as if 73° was his standard geometry, according to Hugh Thornton in a post on CR list.

"We talked about frame building and he said he told his customers they would get a 73 degree head angle and 1 3/4" fork rake (if I remember correctly) but could have anything else they wanted. He mandated that because he had concluded that it gave absolutely the best handling, although most builders might build variations to suit the rider and the proposed use of the bike."
Regarding the rear triangle, I lined up my steel yardstick on each side and it does appear the left side may have been pulled a tad further than the right side. There's a local framebuilder who is still alive that can align and reset it for me for a reasonable cost. I'll probably just have him align the whole shooting works for me.
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Unless the deal falls apart, we'll be moving to Williamsport.


Oooooh! Right at the C&O Canal Nat'l Park, too. Sounds like a little bit of heavy, eh?

Congrats, I presume.
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Oooooh! Right at the C&O Canal Nat'l Park, too. Sounds like a little bit of heavy, eh?

Congrats, I presume.
Yes, indeed. Actually in Brunswick we are 0.5 mile to the C&O trail. Where we are moving is 1.8 miles to the trail. The roads around Williamsport are nowhere near as hilly as Brunswick. Also in Williamsport, we're about 2 miles to a grocery store and other shopping. In Brunswick, most all the shopping is around 15 miles away. 15 miles is too far to ride a bicycle to get groceries, but riding the bicycle 2-5 miles to get groceries is pretty reasonable.

Thanks. Yes, this is a move of our choosing. Another plus is that we'll finally have a garage. In this case it's a 2-1/2 car garage so it means I'll finally have a proper workshop too. Still, I won't have an inside spot for the Sprinter, but we can always remedy that later if we choose.
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That move sounds good. Good luck with it. Will work be nearby?
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Good luck with the move. I need to build a C&O bike, and ride up to see you. I tried it on a 700c/32mm wheel set last summer, and it was pretty bumpy. I'm thinking 650b/45 or at least 700c/35.
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That move sounds good. Good luck with it. Will work be nearby?
Thanks Tom. I'll not be any closer to work, but the time savings from the other activities will more than offset the extra time I'll spend on the commute.
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Good luck with the move. I need to build a C&O bike, and ride up to see you. I tried it on a 700c/32mm wheel set last summer, and it was pretty bumpy. I'm thinking 650b/45 or at least 700c/35.
Thanks John. Re a C&O bike, I think you're on the right track. 35mm is as small as I like to use on the towpath. My most comfy single bike on the towpath is the Mercian which has 38mm Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B tires.
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I'm late to this thread but whadha frame, PG!

-And it could not have landed in better hands.
eBay, schmea-bay. 'tis fate, PG. That frame was made for you!
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I'm late to this thread but whadha frame, PG!

-And it could not have landed in better hands.
eBay, schmea-bay. 'tis fate, PG. That frame was made for you!
Hey Auchen, 'tis a nice one and not something I planned by any means since it was a totally spurious purchase.

Let's hope I can do it some justice with the build. I'm quite happy the frameset is my size.
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