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Old 04-29-20, 05:41 PM
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Indeed. The latest update from community band HQ says we may not be together again until September.
You should Zoom a band practice or two.
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Is this the "college reveal" photo?
Nope, it's the Mrs. datlas is a Mariners fan reveal photo. Who knew?
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Old 04-29-20, 06:13 PM
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Woah! Go M's!
Mrs datlas is a baseball fan and her favorite player is/was Ichiro Suzuki. Hence the shirt.
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No Temple shirt?
Nope. Sad.
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Here are the pictures of me riding. Sorry they didn’t turn out all that well. Wife was trying to keep our two year old from running in the street as she took these.
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Old 04-29-20, 07:24 PM
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I don't see anything obviously horrible going on here.

Your back is a bit rounded. Do you usually ride with your hands at the back of the hoods like that?

Based on the first pic, saddle position seems okay. Biased back, maybe

Looking at the third pic, your leg extension isn't bad. You might have some room to raise the seat a little.
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Originally Posted by rjones28 View Post
I don't see anything obviously horrible going on here.

Your back is a bit rounded. Do you usually ride with your hands at the back of the hoods like that?

Based on the first pic, saddle position seems okay. Biased back, maybe

Looking at the third pic, your leg extension isn't bad. You might have some room to raise the seat a little.
I typically keep my hands on the back of the hoods. I usually only drop on sprints, only because for the longest time I didn’t use the drops at all.

I actually just lowered the seat a couple of mm right before this picture, my leg felt like it was having to stretch at the bottom.
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I typically keep my hands on the back of the hoods. I usually only drop on sprints, only because for the longest time I didn’t use the drops at all.

I actually just lowered the seat a couple of mm right before this picture, my leg felt like it was having to stretch at the bottom.
Ok. I'd say try that new seat height for a few rides and see how you like it.
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Old 04-29-20, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bampilot06 View Post
Here are the pictures of me riding. Sorry they didn’t turn out all that well. Wife was trying to keep our two year old from running in the street as she took these.
I don't want to hold myself out as any sort of expert, but the pictures suggest to me that you are fighting the position the bike wants you to assume. I think you are protracting your shoulders, hyperextending your arms, and sliding back on the hoods, to keep from having to flex your hips and lower the back to where it needs to be. I want to hear what the others have to say, but I think the fix is to work on getting comfortable with being more horizontal on the bike.

Many here call it flexibility, but I believe it's got a lot more to do with the gluteal strength to cantilever the trunk out from the pelvis without straining the lower back. In my case, I have found deadlifts, bridges, squats etc., very helpful for getting low on the bike and you can't do them safely without strengthening the rest of the core.

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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
You should Zoom a band practice or two.
I've never zoomed, but I can't imagine doing more than one part at a time that way.
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Old 04-29-20, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
I've never zoomed, but I can't imagine doing more than one part at a time that way.
This is how we zoomed BITD.

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Originally Posted by MoAlpha View Post
I don't want to hold myself out as any sort of expert, but the pictures suggest to me that you are fighting the position the bike wants you to assume. I think you are protracting your shoulders, hyperextending your arms, and sliding back on the hoods, to keep from having to flex your hips and lower the back to where it needs to be. I want to hear what the others have to say, but I think the fix is to work on getting comfortable with being more horizontal on the bike.

Many here call it flexibility, but I believe it's got a lot more to do with the gluteal strength to cantilever the trunk out from the pelvis. In my case, I have found deadlifts, bridges, squats etc., very helpful for getting low on the bike and you can't do them safely without strengthening the rest of the core.

Thanks Mo, I am definitely not flexible at all, and I do find my self locking my arms while riding to keep my more up right. I’ll try to be more conscious of this in the future. I will add bridges and body squats to my routine. Currently using trx cables since most hotel gyms are closed.
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Originally Posted by datlas View Post
I don't have a fancy PM but I do have a sense of my power from Zwift rides, and I have been looking at the power estimates from Strava. I do think they are reasonably close for solo rides. Clearly they do NOT take into account wind and other factors, but for a very rough approximation it's not half bad. I would guess it's within 20% of reality for an entire ride. For segments the error rate is a bit higher, of course.

Has anyone compared what Strava says and what your PM says to see if my observation is consistent?
If you have a power meter, you see the actual power data on your Strava and not the estimates. So you can’t say. But my impression is the Strava estimates I see for friends are very inaccurate. To the point of being meaningless.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06 View Post
Thanks Mo, I am definitely not flexible at all, and I do find my self locking my arms while riding to keep my more up right. I’ll try to be more conscious of this in the future. I will add bridges and body squats to my routine. Currently using trx cables since most hotel gyms are closed.
To restate, I think we lock our arms to protect the lower back when it lacks adequate support from the hip extensors. Cycling does little or nothing to strengthen them. All of us can bend at the hip, so the issue isn't really flexibility. While some cyclists round their backs a lot the back can't provide the amount of flexion you're going to need and spin flexion puts you at risk for disc herniation and other problems.
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I want to erase what I just heard from my memory.
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I wonder how my cycling positioning would be graded by the committee?

I'd probably want to go pass/fail.
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After some fake miles today, I mowed the lawn with a reel mower. My neighbors were amused. Knowing that Strava does not accept “walks” I did not post it.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha View Post
I don't want to hold myself out as any sort of expert, but the pictures suggest to me that you are fighting the position the bike wants you to assume. I think you are protracting your shoulders, hyperextending your arms, and sliding back on the hoods, to keep from having to flex your hips and lower the back to where it needs to be. I want to hear what the others have to say, but I think the fix is to work on getting comfortable with being more horizontal on the bike.

Many here call it flexibility, but I believe it's got a lot more to do with the gluteal strength to cantilever the trunk out from the pelvis without straining the lower back. In my case, I have found deadlifts, bridges, squats etc., very helpful for getting low on the bike and you can't do them safely without strengthening the rest of the core.
agree with this, but also not an expert.

I’d also offer a slightly different perspective- when I was on a more upright endurance type geometry I found my arms were usually straight (like in the pic) as I was fighting my body’s natural desire to want to be more stretched out and lower. By getting a bike with a lower stack and extending the reach with a longer stem, I’m naturally riding with a flat(ish) back and bent arms. It may seem counterintuitive, but may be worth reducing the # of spacers to see if that helps.

Also agree on deadlifts, squats and a core regimen. It helps, a lot. I know it’s not necessarily feasible for you, but pre Covid I was working with a personal trainer 2x a week and lifting heavy really helped develop the strength to ride better. YMMV obviously.
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After some fake miles today, I mowed the lawn with a reel mower. My neighbors were amused. Knowing that Strava does not accept “walks” I did not post it.
Kudos.

Strava does accept walks, they just don't count.
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I want to erase what I just heard from my memory.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
I wonder how my cycling positioning would be graded by the committee?

I'd probably want to go pass/fail.
We'll be happy to judge you.
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I woke up an hour ago, and started to cook breakfast. Whoops.

No bacon was wasted because of this mistake.

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If that's how you cook when you're asleep.... Dang....
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In other news, to effect quick passes of other cyclists out this morning, I did dial it up to 400w to pass several times. It doesn't actually feel like much of anything for that duration. Not sure what that guy was on about.
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If that's how you cook when you're asleep.... Dang....
I started to cook breakfast, and then realized it was 7:30 PM.

A quick change of gears, and the bacon was saved.
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I started to cook breakfast, and then realized it was 7:30 PM.

A quick change of gears, and the bacon was saved.
It's pretty easy to sleep through the afternoon when it's 104° and you've got nothing you can't put off til tomorrow.
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