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New Bike - Canyon vs Trek vs Specialized vs Giant

Old 05-06-20, 08:33 PM
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I haven't had the issues you're describing with the FutureShock, not that I'm doubting what you experienced. I frankly wouldn't consider a Roubaix if I didn't have the ability to lock it out. On my S-works, it has a compression damping adjustment. I leave it locked out unless I know I'm hitting some big bumps. It does work very well on bumps, however, and eliminates a lot of the shock that would normally go up through the handlebars. I certainly don't feel any rebound bouncing, though. That seems odd to me.
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Had to make a smilar choice a few weeks ago. I also asked here in forums. Most people recommended to buy a used bike since I'm newbie. I was between Roubaix Tiagra 2020, Defy advanced ultegra 2019 and roubaix 105 2019. Bought a used defy 2015 with ultegra. It is 9,2 kg not really lightweight but like most people said the weight doesn't hold me back. So when it comes to weight I don't think the weight between tiagra and 105 would change anything unless you are a pro. The only problem I see is that if you want to upgrade it in future you will need to upgrade the whole groupset for tiagra but you can upgrade part by part for 105 and even tho i tryed tiagra and can't tell the difference, experianced users always say 105 is the entry of high end level products. I would try to buy something with 105 if it fits unless you are buying an s-works frame or top level frame from other brands.
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Old 05-07-20, 12:48 AM
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Why does it have to be a new bike?
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get the 105 group set

xmas 2019 I purchased Redux 2 urban/hybrid bike. I loved it so much I wanted to by 2nd
set of wheels and put faster tires on it. There's like 100000's of options for 11spd 105
group set. Not so much on what I had on my bike. I sold it after only owning it a few months.
My next bike I made sure it had 105 group set.



Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
The thing with 105 vs Tiagra right now is that 105 is 11-speed and compatible with other 11-speed parts from 105, Ultegra, and Dura-Ace. Current Tiagra is 10-speed, so it's not compatible, and is also a different 10-speed from older 10-speed, so even older 10-speed parts are not compatible. That sort of situation makes me uneasy.

Originally Posted by surak View Post

105 would be better than Tiagra, but Tiagra runs fine and 10 speed components are cheaper, which is nice when it comes time to replace wear items. Other than weight, the only thing I dislike about Tiagra are the hoods being less comfortable than higher tier ones.







Originally Posted by Ogsarg View Post
Giant website shows the Defy 2 at $2450.00. I guess it would be more than your budget after tax but I think it would be worth a few extra bucks to get the 11sp. 105 group.


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As @Bah Humbug said, it's worth getting 11 speed for compatibility, especially when you are so close to it, budget wise.
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Old 05-07-20, 02:09 AM
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The Trek Emonda ALR 5 Disc comes with 105s and Disc. I’m extremely happy with mine and is 500 under your budget to spend elsewhere.
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Old 05-07-20, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Shemmy View Post
The Trek Emonda ALR 5 Disc comes with 105s and Disc. I’m extremely happy with mine and is 500 under your budget to spend elsewhere.
25mm tires - I tested enough bikes now that I pretty much know I want 28/32mm (shouldnt be a problem for the shop to change them or go with SL5 carbon they come with 28mm)

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Why does it have to be a new bike?
In my market it's pretty hard to find a 2-4 year old used road bike at the moment. I would have to buy a used bike on the internet without testing it. And thats a no-no for me. But thanks for your input

Originally Posted by justonwo View Post
I haven't had the issues you're describing with the FutureShock, not that I'm doubting what you experienced..., it has a compression damping adjustment.
No "damping adjustment wheel" on the 2 roubaix bikes I test. Rep said I could exchange the Shock for a harder/softer one.

Originally Posted by Tacoenthusiast View Post
The fastest one is also the cheapest? Sounds pretty good to me.
TCR Advanced Pro (Bike i tested) - Bike in price range is the 2021 pro compact (not in stores atm; as far as I know)
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at the moment I am leaning towards Canyon Endurace CF SL.
has basicly everything on paper that I want. But I cant test it.
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Old 05-07-20, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by justonwo View Post
I have a Canyon Ultimate and a Roubaix. I think Canyon’s sizing is pretty much spot on. If I were in your shoes,
What frame size is your Roubaix and your Canyon? Just for comparison.
Specialized Roubaix is 56/58 for me. Canyon online tool puts me on a S frame.
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Old 05-07-20, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by phrantic09 View Post
And if you’re going to go the rim route, for an extra 500 you can get a Cervelo R3 with Ultegra Di2.
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Since I am pretty good with geometry charts and am willing to spend $20-$30 for a new stem if needed (and have a bunch in boxes already) I'd jump all over that Canyon. Hydro discs and 105 for under $2 grand?

But if I had the cash, I might opt for the Cervelo that @phrantic09 mentioned .... (sorry, just stirring things up, but I love my Cervelo clone ... )
Price that I find on the R3 Ultegra is $3850(Di2)
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Old 05-07-20, 06:06 AM
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I'd still get the Defy 2 (perhaps a 2019 instead of a 20-21?) if you can find it on sale or the 3.

Tiagra is a very good groupset. 105 is clearly better (and 11 speed), but not worth breaking your piggy bank. If you can afford it, you will not regret paying the extra $ for 105 on the long run.
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Old 05-07-20, 06:56 AM
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Price that I find on the R3 Ultegra is $3850(Di2)
It’s under 3K at Excel
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Old 05-07-20, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by hydrationnation View Post
What frame size is your Roubaix and your Canyon? Just for comparison.
Specialized Roubaix is 56/58 for me. Canyon online tool puts me on a S frame.
I would trust their sizing tool. I think it’s pretty accurate. I have a size 52 Roubaix and ended up with an XS Ultimate. You can always compare key frame dimensions to get additional certainty.
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I have a rim brake ALR5. It will take a 30mm tyre (measured). I presume the disc version would take at least that size too.
It is an excellent bike and I ride it often even though I also have some much more expensive bikes as well.
Upgrade to some carbon wheels was all I changed,
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Old 05-08-20, 09:10 AM
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The deal on the R3 from Excel is unbeatable. What I am about to say is not for everybody, but you can come so far out ahead by assembling your own. It really is not that hard to do.

You can get an Emonda SL frame for $999, full Ultegra build kit for $623 and a really nice set of carbon wheels with CX Ray spokes and DT 350 hubs for $639. That leaves roughly $250 for bars, stem, tires, tape, saddle, etc, etc. Buying take-off bars and stems off the forums or ebay is incredibly cheap. Even if it took you an extra month to get all the parts together it will be worth it in the long run.

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...Code=black_red

https://www.merlincycles.com/shimano...er-113147.html

https://www.wheelsfar.com/38mm-x-25m...-cm-25u-4.html
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Old 05-08-20, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by matt92037 View Post
The deal on the R3 from Excel is unbeatable. What I am about to say is not for everybody, but you can come so far out ahead by assembling your own. It really is not that hard to do.

You can get an Emonda SL frame for $999, full Ultegra build kit for $623 and a really nice set of carbon wheels with CX Ray spokes and DT 350 hubs for $639. That leaves roughly $250 for bars, stem, tires, tape, saddle, etc, etc. Buying take-off bars and stems off the forums or ebay is incredibly cheap. Even if it took you an extra month to get all the parts together it will be worth it in the long run.
I thought about that, because I build computer for myself, friends and neighbours. You get the parts you want and it's mostly better qualtiy and cheaper than the mass builds from HP, Dell, ...

I have no experience in bike building. I think my LBS would have fun to build one with me. But I dont know what fits. For computerbuilding pcpartpicker can help you to check the compatibility. But for bikes?

Carbon, light, a good combination of comfort and speed. no hills. 28mm tires. 56 frame.
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I thought about that, because I build computer for myself, friends and neighbours. You get the parts you want and it's mostly better qualtiy and cheaper than the mass builds from HP, Dell, ...
The way I do that it's not cheaper. It's incomparably better and more durable, however.
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Old 05-08-20, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
The way I do that it's not cheaper. It's incomparably better and more durable, however.
This ^^^^ 99 times out of 100. They buy stuff in bulk. I highly doubt you can buy the same exact components for a car/bicycle/computer and make it cheaper. For a car it would probably cost you 10x to 100x if you where able to buy all the parts separate. GM/FORD/Toyota get a much different price buying 1 million widgets vs normal person buying one.

Of course you can have a much better gaming computer building it yourself with that fancy graphics card. You car can handle better ( I have 3k ohlins coil overs on my car ). You can have a faster, lighter bike etc...
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I’ll make it more confusing. Trek CrossTrek ALR5. 105 and wide tires. Plus later
get a second wheel set for speed. It will also accept racks etc.
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Originally Posted by hydrationnation View Post
I thought about that, because I build computer for myself, friends and neighbours. You get the parts you want and it's mostly better qualtiy and cheaper than the mass builds from HP, Dell, ...

I have no experience in bike building. I think my LBS would have fun to build one with me. But I dont know what fits. For computerbuilding pcpartpicker can help you to check the compatibility. But for bikes?

Carbon, light, a good combination of comfort and speed. no hills. 28mm tires. 56 frame.
Assembly from Canyon is likely to have you needing a 4, 5 & 6mm Allen keys and a 15mm pedal wrench. If the stem is not on the steerer tube, you will want a torque wrench and 5mm Allen key for it, to properly tension the stem bolts. It’s a carbon steerer tube usually and is sensitive to over-tightening,
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post
Assembly from Canyon is likely to have you needing a 4, 5 & 6mm Allen keys and a 15mm pedal wrench. If the stem is not on the steerer tube, you will want a torque wrench and 5mm Allen key for it, to properly tension the stem bolts. It’s a carbon steerer tube usually and is sensitive to over-tightening,
They include a basic torque wrench and carbon assembly paste, you don't have to buy anything to put final assembly touches on a canyon that you wouldn't need to have on hand anyway for basic stuff
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Have you looked at Scott Addict Disc 20? Endurance full carbon, 105, 30c tires, 8.5kg, $2099. Looks like a great value.
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Old 05-09-20, 10:16 AM
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Thanks for the input.
Just ordered the Canyon Endurace with 105.
I checked with Canyon. They have still the same return policy.
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Originally Posted by matt92037 View Post
The deal on the R3 from Excel is unbeatable. What I am about to say is not for everybody, but you can come so far out ahead by assembling your own. It really is not that hard to do.

You can get an Emonda SL frame for $999, full Ultegra build kit for $623 and a really nice set of carbon wheels with CX Ray spokes and DT 350 hubs for $639. That leaves roughly $250 for bars, stem, tires, tape, saddle, etc, etc. Buying take-off bars and stems off the forums or ebay is incredibly cheap. Even if it took you an extra month to get all the parts together it will be worth it in the long run.

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...Code=black_red

https://www.merlincycles.com/shimano...er-113147.html

https://www.wheelsfar.com/38mm-x-25m...-cm-25u-4.html
Coincidentally, I just saw a couple of bike building videos on Youtube. I also build my own PCs even though I am not mechanically gifted and it works, but with a bike? That's something where if you mess up it can cause you to crash. Not to mention, the equipment needed, when the screwed in the bottom bracket, they used special tools (or maybe not, but at least not something vast majority of people have at home).
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Congrats on the order, that'll be a nice bike

Take a few pics of the unboxing for yourself, just in case you need to send it back for a different size it'll be helpful to have a record of how it all fits in the box

I had my canyon ready to ride in well under an hour and that was working slow and goofing around
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building bikes is really not that hard. Youtube and not being in a rush will most likely lead to success. You do need some tools though.


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Coincidentally, I just saw a couple of bike building videos on Youtube. I also build my own PCs even though I am not mechanically gifted and it works, but with a bike? That's something where if you mess up it can cause you to crash. Not to mention, the equipment needed, when the screwed in the bottom bracket, they used special tools (or maybe not, but at least not something vast majority of people have at home).
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Originally Posted by hydrationnation View Post
Thanks for the input.
Just ordered the Canyon Endurace with 105.
I checked with Canyon. They have still the same return policy.
Good choice! I think you’ll love it. Let us know how it turns out.
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