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Old 09-05-20, 05:38 PM
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Water Bottle Cage Noise

I noticed a squeaking noise during pedaling. I checked the bolts that hold the water bottle cages. I have two cages, one on the down tube and one on the seat tube. This is a carbon frameset.

The bolts were loose. I tightened all 4 bolts. Then after a 40 mile ride, it was quiet, no squeaking. Next ride at the 20 mile mark, it squeaks when I pedal. It got louder as I rode. I came back home to check the bolts and they became loose.

I took off the entire assembly. Now the water cages are off and so are the bolts.

Is there an easy fix? Other than to put the water bottles behind the saddle?
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Old 09-05-20, 05:47 PM
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loctite?
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Old 09-05-20, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
I noticed a squeaking noise during pedaling. I checked the bolts that hold the water bottle cages. I have two cages, one on the down tube and one on the seat tube. This is a carbon frameset.

The bolts were loose. I tightened all 4 bolts. Then after a 40 mile ride, it was quiet, no squeaking. Next ride at the 20 mile mark, it squeaks when I pedal. It got louder as I rode. I came back home to check the bolts and they became loose.

I took off the entire assembly. Now the water cages are off and so are the bolts.

Is there an easy fix? Other than to put the water bottles behind the saddle?
A liquid thread lock like Loctite 222 or 243. Or PTFE plumbing tape on the bolts if you are unsure about putting a liquid cocktail of chemicals inside your carbon frame

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Old 09-05-20, 06:06 PM
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I'd try split washers before going to Loctite.
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Old 09-05-20, 06:08 PM
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I was also thinking a lock washer, along with any sort of grease. Even Vaseline might work. Simple stuff first...
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Old 09-05-20, 06:31 PM
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Properly-torqued bolts should not loosen up. To what torque did you tighten the bolts? You should be using a torque wrench on a carbon frame.
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Old 09-05-20, 06:47 PM
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No torque wrench. The carbon frame has a metal sleeve for the bolts.
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Originally Posted by dsbrantjr View Post
Properly-torqued bolts should not loosen up. .
In my many years of wrenching on bicycles, cars, general machinery, I find this to be true.
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Old 09-05-20, 06:59 PM
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Tighten the bolts to maximum 0.94-1.23 kgf.cm / 0.09-0.12 Nm / 0.81-1.06 in.lbs torque with 4mm Allen Wrench...my mini torque wrench goes up by a factor of 1 Nm increment at a time...I couldn't find 0.09 Nm on there with a microscope This is a non-critical fitting, bolts go into preset alloy threads in the carbon assembly. So feel tells me when they are tight enough...and about 25 years of experience

I do use a torque wrench for pretty much everything else...Got one, might as well use it
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Old 09-05-20, 07:02 PM
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My first thought - you did grease the threads, didn't you? There is only one metal-to-metal interface on a bike I don't grease - the flats on square taper spindles and cranks. Everything else get (usually) marine boat trailer grease or whatever is on hand. (Hmmm - not true. I don't grease any of the clamps around the handlebars; stem, brake levers. accessories ... But all their fasteners, yes.)
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Metal bottles , plastic cage, plastic bottles, metal cages are fine..



My guess: they used riv nuts.. they expand further into the hole when you tighten the bolt .. if they are loose..

a flat washer against the outside flange (of riv nut) when thread part is pulled up is how they expand..



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Old 09-05-20, 08:12 PM
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A bit of blue locktite and call it a day. It's not that complicated.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
There is only one metal-to-metal interface on a bike I don't grease - the flats on square taper spindles and cranks.
Thread drift, why not? I do and have for 25 years and have never had issues.

Also, if I'm chasing creaks, I definitely lube the handlebar lightly before clamping. Same with seat rails. I've never had them slip.

OP, one drop of blue loctite on the bolts and your problem is solved.
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Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
No torque wrench. The carbon frame has a metal sleeve for the bolts.
You should still use a torque wrench, as the RivNuts for the mounting bolts are usually a friction fit between the RivNut and the frame. Too much torque and they can break free and spin instead of securing the bolt.
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Old 09-06-20, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
You should still use a torque wrench, as the RivNuts for the mounting bolts are usually a friction fit between the RivNut and the frame. Too much torque and they can break free and spin instead of securing the bolt.
So far its still secure.
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They make a purple loctite as well. A little harder to source, need to order on line, but that is what Campy speced for my crank bolt.
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tube sock over the bottle if wet cools the water too..
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Aluminum cage? Try stainless steel or plastic
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
My first thought - you did grease the threads, didn't you? There is only one metal-to-metal interface on a bike I don't grease - the flats on square taper spindles and cranks. Everything else get (usually) marine boat trailer grease or whatever is on hand. (Hmmm - not true. I don't grease any of the clamps around the handlebars; stem, brake levers. accessories ... But all their fasteners, yes.)
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/...ng-cranks.html
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