Is mountain biking on the decline this decade?
08-11-09, 11:43 PM
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Dude, or Dudette, you edit your posts so frequently that I have stopped paying attention to you. Go back to Fixie forums. I don't care for your broke-I'm-trying-to-feed-a-family-BS. I have earned exactly $0 this year, but I don't feel that it's necessary to whine about it. I make do with what I have and I improvise when needed. You are a cry-baby.
08-11-09, 11:55 PM
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08-12-09, 12:02 AM
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Yes. Far more breadth of technical knowledge over there, purely as there is a larger number of mtb specific folks making up the brain trust. Several other online forums will (usually) get you more/better/faster/more correct mtb specific info than BF will, purely because of said brain trust.
Yeah, sure, you're being tongue-in-cheek there, but c'mon. See above.
08-12-09, 12:14 AM
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MTB vs. road bike sales fluctuate from year to year. I'd hardly say mtb is in any sort of decline, at the very worst case it's staying static.
The important question is can you trackstand on your mtb?
The important question is can you trackstand on your mtb?
08-12-09, 12:18 AM
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dickdack, I'm not going to argue with your assertion that making no money sucks. I already know that. I just haven't let it bring me down. Get over it.
08-12-09, 12:33 AM
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Ride the damn bike to your hearts content. Don't sanitize the trails. Go through, not around wet/muddy spots. When something on the bike breaks, replace with something newer/nicer/whatever. Ride it until it dies. It's a capable bike, it just has the potential to become a money pit vs. buying a newer bike if you aren't careful. Be respectful of other trail users.
It ain't rocket surgery folks.
It ain't rocket surgery folks.
08-12-09, 12:46 AM
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Those mtb dudes cant decide if they want 26 inch wheels, 29 in the front and 26 at the back (looks like a hyena) or 29 or round.
Having said that, I'd like to get another MTB. Try forums.mtbr.com.
Having said that, I'd like to get another MTB. Try forums.mtbr.com.
08-12-09, 01:01 AM
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mtb has fewer hard and fast "rules" about fit and sizing because of so many differing trail types and riding style/types/marketing categories.
hmmm. road can be sketchy as well. riding in a tight pack or line at high speed? all it takes is one person to screw up and take down the whole group, or a large portion.
IMO, you're getting all hung up for no reason on the semantics of things. they are just bikes, man. ride what you like, how you like.
for info, there are a crapload of various sites out there devoted to all aspects of mtb fit/fashion/culture/racing/and just plain riding. some get just as geeky and techy if not more so than many road specific forum. go check out some suspension design and performance tweaking stuff. and there are many, many variations on geometry - tons of info to geek out with in that area as well.
hmmm. road can be sketchy as well. riding in a tight pack or line at high speed? all it takes is one person to screw up and take down the whole group, or a large portion.
IMO, you're getting all hung up for no reason on the semantics of things. they are just bikes, man. ride what you like, how you like.
for info, there are a crapload of various sites out there devoted to all aspects of mtb fit/fashion/culture/racing/and just plain riding. some get just as geeky and techy if not more so than many road specific forum. go check out some suspension design and performance tweaking stuff. and there are many, many variations on geometry - tons of info to geek out with in that area as well.
IMO, mountain biking is so technical & requires a crap load of skills (compared to riding a road bike).
Being such a technical "sport" I would've thought there would be many threads on bike fit & bike sizing.
But it doesn't even come close with the anal guys in the roadie forum. They think you'll die if you buy a bike 2cm smaller or larger than the "ideal" size.
Where as in mountain bikes, bike sizing seems so lenient.
I was going to start a new thread asking about bike position (KOPS, hand, elbow, back angles, etc.)....but didn't want to get everyone pissed off.
I think I have an idea of the responses....it'll be something like this: "you moron, you don't sit down when you ride on a trail, you're off the saddle most of the time and you're making body adjustments on the fly".
Yea yea yea....I know. But.....how about when I'm sitting on the saddle riding on the road to trails?
Being such a technical "sport" I would've thought there would be many threads on bike fit & bike sizing.
But it doesn't even come close with the anal guys in the roadie forum. They think you'll die if you buy a bike 2cm smaller or larger than the "ideal" size.
Where as in mountain bikes, bike sizing seems so lenient.
I was going to start a new thread asking about bike position (KOPS, hand, elbow, back angles, etc.)....but didn't want to get everyone pissed off.
I think I have an idea of the responses....it'll be something like this: "you moron, you don't sit down when you ride on a trail, you're off the saddle most of the time and you're making body adjustments on the fly".
Yea yea yea....I know. But.....how about when I'm sitting on the saddle riding on the road to trails?
08-12-09, 01:15 AM
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Buying an old Stumpy instead of a new or newer Hardrock was probably a good move. The comment about an M2 being better than anything new under 4 figures is just plain incorrect. As an example, the new Rockhopper is an M4 and under four figures. (Duh!)
Obtaining info on BF to restore an old bike is no problem. The problem is, your bike is not old enough. The C&V forum will help anyone restoring an old bike, but an M2 is just not considered old. Maybe a steel Stumpy might make it.
Obtaining info on BF to restore an old bike is no problem. The problem is, your bike is not old enough. The C&V forum will help anyone restoring an old bike, but an M2 is just not considered old. Maybe a steel Stumpy might make it.
Maybe that's not this bike, there aren't a whole lot of details here.
08-12-09, 02:36 AM
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It's weird. My stumpjumper came with an XTR RD, but with LX shifter & FD. I guess they aren't OEM and were replaced. The RD is a little beat up as you can see here. It was also hitting the spokes when I first brought the bike home.
The only reason why I got this bike over a brand new Hardrock or Rockhopper is because of the reviews I found here. It was tough to say no to a bike with such great reviews.
The only reason why I got this bike over a brand new Hardrock or Rockhopper is because of the reviews I found here. It was tough to say no to a bike with such great reviews.
what you've got there is a nice retro ride, and it was a nice mid-level ride back in the day, but it wasn't and isn't anything particularly spectacular.
again, ride it until things die, then replace as needed.
08-12-09, 05:12 AM
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It's weird. My stumpjumper came with an XTR RD, but with LX shifter & FD. I guess they aren't OEM and were replaced. The RD is a little beat up as you can see here. It was also hitting the spokes when I first brought the bike home.
The only reason why I got this bike over a brand new Hardrock or Rockhopper is because of the reviews I found here. It was tough to say no to a bike with such great reviews.
https://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/bike-h...217_96crx.aspx
The only reason why I got this bike over a brand new Hardrock or Rockhopper is because of the reviews I found here. It was tough to say no to a bike with such great reviews.
https://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/bike-h...217_96crx.aspx
The newest review on that bike is 7 years old, 7 years ago it was a nice bike. The xtr components on it are like shimano alivo parts now. Your going to spend enough fixing it up to the point where you could have just bought a new one. Thats why most people dont even bother. Ive done it a couple time myself just for the joy of fixing up an older bike and taking it to the trails and seeing the respones of some of the other riders. Its like pulling into a parking lot of cars with a fixed up classic car. People go nuts over them , atleast thats the response ive gotten on the two bikes ive fixed up. When it comes down to it , if you like the bike and have fun on the bike who really cares what anyone thinks.
08-12-09, 06:03 AM
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08-12-09, 09:09 AM
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See....that goes to show how much of a newbie I am to mtn bikes. In the roadie world, I would, without a doubt in my mind, purchase a bike with 11 year old 9 speed DuraAce components (aka XTR of roadies) over to a 2009 9 speed Sora (Alivio/Altus level) equipped bike. And I'm making this claim with 10 (and even 11 speed) drivetrains available in the roadie world
I had a Ultegra 9 speed back in the days (equivalent to XT) and I can tell you that it shifts MUCH better than the 9 speed Sora or Tiagra you see today.
I guess things are different in the mtn bike world. I am still pretty amazed that 9 spd XTR/XT are about equivalent to 8 speed Alivio stuff on today's bike.
I had a Ultegra 9 speed back in the days (equivalent to XT) and I can tell you that it shifts MUCH better than the 9 speed Sora or Tiagra you see today.
I guess things are different in the mtn bike world. I am still pretty amazed that 9 spd XTR/XT are about equivalent to 8 speed Alivio stuff on today's bike.
No.. you were correct. 10 year old xtr is still better quality than modern alivio..
08-12-09, 09:39 AM
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Yes i have , try it if ya dont belive me and the spring is just about everything in a rear derailleur when it comes to changing the gears . Look at that derailleur in his picture , it doesnt even come close to mathcing the xtr stuff on todays bikes ...now compare it to the low end stuff of today...amazing people cant figure this out....hilarious...
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh snap! This thread rocks hard!
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Does that ring a bell?
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I get what you're saying --- that a ten year old ragged out XTR rear derailleur probably performs on the same level as a new Alivio component. But you're flawed in thinking that the M950/951 group can hold a candle to any of the lower Shimano groups today. That generation of XTR put an entire cottage industry of CNC MTB components out of business. Seen any Grafton brake levers or cranks lately?
08-12-09, 07:06 PM
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But some of you seem to think a 90s Stumpy isn't a good bike compared to the technology we have today. So.....I guess with an inferior bike (and the lack of skills), I should re-arrange some of the rocks on the trail? If I move them to make the trail easier, should I place the rocks back in place after I'm done?
Someone please school me on trail riding etiquette.
Nice !!
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Also in the newest issue of Mountain Bike titled "New Trails In Impossible Places [Mt. Tam, NYC, Chicago] cat's are building trails in the city to rid on, very cool !!! So there again MTB'ing is not just rural or suburban people.