Am I the only one who thinks Trek should make a steel Emonda?
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Am I the only one who thinks Trek should make a steel Emonda?
I've got an Emonda SL, and love it. The ride, handling, comfortable geometry, etc. is fantastic. I've also heard similarly great comments regarding the Emonda ALR. So why not build a steel Emonda?
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And why not a bamboo one too while they're at it?
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Because the purpose of the model is low weight, and while you can make a light steel frame, it will concede a pound or more to other materials. The steels that can achieve the lowest weights are also very hard to work with compared to other materials (except ti), and the majority of consumers and manufacturers have abandoned steel outside of touring, and bringing it back would require an extensive campaign that nobody's got an interest in doing. I like steel, but I don't think I would like a steel emonda. The best steel bikes are designed ground up to be made of steel, and make the most of the given properties it offers.
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What's wrong with the ALR?
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You mean, why doesn't someone make a short wheelbase with a steep head angle and slack seat tube angle bike with a really tall head tube and longish effective top tube?
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To answer the title question, probably. That also answers the question why Trek would be extremely unlikely to do so: sales wouldn't come remotely close to covering the costs of development/production.
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And there are plenty of sweet-riding steel Treks on the used market at a fraction of the cost a new bike would run.
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The Breezer thread illustrates it perfectly: the steel frame aficionados would cheer its release, then wait a year until Trek gave up and sold them at fire-sale prices to clear the inventory, then ask why more companies don't make steel bikes.
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Trek still makes a steel touring bike, because in that category steel still sells. If you include Trek-made Lemonds, Trek hasn't had a steel "racing" road bike since the late 90's or early 2000's. As noted before, there are plenty of nice older steel Treks and Lemonds still around you could build up as a resto-mod.
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That's the other thing. Trek tends to not half ass things, so I would imagine it would be a proper modern steel road bike and it would likely be not very cheap. So for the minority of riders who are anti-carbon, it would be a great bike, but so prohibitively expensive that they would still ride their 1995 steel frames. And for the rest of the market, you're suddenly looking at a bike that is close in price to a well equipped carbon frame that weighs a good bit less and rides very nicely. It wouldn't make any damn sense. There are plenty of boutique steel manufacturers out there to satisfy the small amount of people willing to spend real money on them.
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What is this bike? "SL TREK EMONDA ULTRALIGHT ALU " Anyone got a link / picture. It may be a Euro version. Can anyone compare to a carbon frame for racing?
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So,
Domane = cobbles
Madone = Aero
Emonda = Hills
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I did not know. This is for a very hilly race. Thank you.
Any comparisons to a carbon bike. Say a Tarmac?
Any comparisons to a carbon bike. Say a Tarmac?
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How about a cost-effective modern bike combining the best all the materials offer --e.g., CF frame, seatpost and fork, alloy components, handlebars and wheels, leather saddle, steel tube nipples...
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[h=2]Am I the only one who thinks Trek should make a steel Emonda?[/h]
Yes. You are most likely the only person in the world that thinks that.
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Trek initially set out to produce the lightest production family of bikes in the world. And then they introduced the entry-level S range. And then they introduced the ALR range (some of which are lighter than the carbon S range). So there is weight overlap between the carbon and aluminum ranges.
The guys over at Rodriguez are a boutique shop capable of producing sub-14 lb. steel racing bikes. So I don't think anyone can really argue that steel bikes can't be racing bikes. Besides, there's a plethora of steel bike manufacturers, so clearly there's a market for steel bikes.
Why can't Trek, with it's greater purchasing power and manufacturing capacity, produce a lightweight steel bike at a reasonable cost and break into the steel bike market? Further, it would round out the product line of the Emonda family. Take your pick: carbon, aluminum, steel.
The guys over at Rodriguez are a boutique shop capable of producing sub-14 lb. steel racing bikes. So I don't think anyone can really argue that steel bikes can't be racing bikes. Besides, there's a plethora of steel bike manufacturers, so clearly there's a market for steel bikes.
Why can't Trek, with it's greater purchasing power and manufacturing capacity, produce a lightweight steel bike at a reasonable cost and break into the steel bike market? Further, it would round out the product line of the Emonda family. Take your pick: carbon, aluminum, steel.
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The guys over at Rodriguez are a boutique shop capable of producing sub-14 lb. steel racing bikes. So I don't think anyone can really argue that steel bikes can't be racing bikes. Besides, there's a plethora of steel bike manufacturers, so clearly there's a market for steel bikes.
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Yes, but in fairness, the technology today was not available then. Light, stiff and comfortable steel is a reality now.