Helix Update?
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Doh! Thanks for pointing that out. I should have scrolled down to the May update and picked up on those numbers. Good to see that the forum is now open to pre-order customers.
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Hi Bym, the details are scheduled to be released this month with the upgrade kit to be available "Late 2020". Of course this is Peter giving us this timescale and his predictions have had zero credibility for about the past 4 years so the information is almost useless. I'm preparing myself for the announcement to be made in the next 3 months, with hardware possibly being available in the first quarter of next year. I'm convinced the electric version is imperative for the long term viability of Helix, so I'm sure the upgrade will come, we just don't know when.
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Hi Bym, the details are scheduled to be released this month with the upgrade kit to be available "Late 2020". Of course this is Peter giving us this timescale and his predictions have had zero credibility for about the past 4 years so the information is almost useless. I'm preparing myself for the announcement to be made in the next 3 months, with hardware possibly being available in the first quarter of next year. I'm convinced the electric version is imperative for the long term viability of Helix, so I'm sure the upgrade will come, we just don't know when.
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Hi Linberl, no, there's nothing unique about the wheel, but I think attaching a proprietary battery pack could be tricky, especially because racks are not yet available for the bike. I don't think the space available inside the main frame triangle with the bike folded will be enough for a useful size of battery pack, so the only place I can think of to mount a battery pack without affecting the overall folded size is alongside the front "fork" tube, which won't be easy given the lack of suitable fixing points.
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Hi Linberl, no, there's nothing unique about the wheel, but I think attaching a proprietary battery pack could be tricky, especially because racks are not yet available for the bike. I don't think the space available inside the main frame triangle with the bike folded will be enough for a useful size of battery pack, so the only place I can think of to mount a battery pack without affecting the overall folded size is alongside the front "fork" tube, which won't be easy given the lack of suitable fixing points.
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Hi Linberl, The usable space inside the main frame triangle is approx 400mm long x 140mm high at the rear tapering down to 60mm at the front. Certainly a custom built pack could be fitted into that space, but I would think it's highly unlikely a proprietary pack would be available to fit that space. The maximum width available is tricky to measure, but I think it will be approximately 45mm.
Hi Bym, I guess it would be possible to mount a battery pack on the handle post, but it would increase the width of the folded bike. Helix claim their pack will be mounted in an "innovative way" which will not increase the size of the folded bike.
Hi Bym, I guess it would be possible to mount a battery pack on the handle post, but it would increase the width of the folded bike. Helix claim their pack will be mounted in an "innovative way" which will not increase the size of the folded bike.
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Hi Linberl, The usable space inside the main frame triangle is approx 400mm long x 140mm high at the rear tapering down to 60mm at the front. Certainly a custom built pack could be fitted into that space, but I would think it's highly unlikely a proprietary pack would be available to fit that space. The maximum width available is tricky to measure, but I think it will be approximately 45mm.
Hi Bym, I guess it would be possible to mount a battery pack on the handle post, but it would increase the width of the folded bike. Helix claim their pack will be mounted in an "innovative way" which will not increase the size of the folded bike.
Hi Bym, I guess it would be possible to mount a battery pack on the handle post, but it would increase the width of the folded bike. Helix claim their pack will be mounted in an "innovative way" which will not increase the size of the folded bike.
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Finding a bag that doesn't need o be removed to fold the bike isn't so easy. It must also be attached to the bike strongly enough to avoid to move when loaded with a battery that can be relatively heavy.
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Yes but a good custom bag maker won't find that a problem and bags already designed for batteries should also work. That's why we have velcro.
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An apology and a clarification.
The rear wheel is not special as I said, but I omitted to say that special (proprietary) dropouts will be required to mount a rear hub motor whether it be from Helix or any other manufacturer. Obviously a proprietary battery pack can be made by Helix to fit anywhere they choose in the "innovative way" which has yet to be revealed. I'm sorry for any confusion that I've caused.
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Hi Linberl, I've just realised I owe you an apology for not understanding the word "proprietary". In my ignorance, I thought it meant commercially available generic items. I now need to clarify what I subsequently wrote.
The rear wheel is not special as I said, but I omitted to say that special (proprietary) dropouts will be required to mount a rear hub motor whether it be from Helix or any other manufacturer. Obviously a proprietary battery pack can be made by Helix to fit anywhere they choose in the "innovative way" which has yet to be revealed. I'm sorry for any confusion that I've caused.
The rear wheel is not special as I said, but I omitted to say that special (proprietary) dropouts will be required to mount a rear hub motor whether it be from Helix or any other manufacturer. Obviously a proprietary battery pack can be made by Helix to fit anywhere they choose in the "innovative way" which has yet to be revealed. I'm sorry for any confusion that I've caused.
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@Bym: It looks like titanium spokes could be used to reduce weight but after a very quick investigation, the perceived wisdom on the net seems to be that by the time you've got the spoke thick enough to equal the stiffness of the steel spokes you are replacing, you've lost the weight advantage. If you don't mind loosing stiffness you could save a few grams.
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Front hub motors cannot be used because the front hub is I believe, unique in the cycling world. Even though it's apparently made by Formula who I understand make the Lefty hubs for Cannondale, it's done in a totally different way to allow the shaft for the wheel to wheel locking mechanism to pass through the centre. While we're on this subject, centre drive motor systems also will not fit Helix because both wheels are tight up to the bottom bracket when folded.
@Bym: It looks like titanium spokes could be used to reduce weight but after a very quick investigation, the perceived wisdom on the net seems to be that by the time you've got the spoke thick enough to equal the stiffness of the steel spokes you are replacing, you've lost the weight advantage. If you don't mind loosing stiffness you could save a few grams.
@Bym: It looks like titanium spokes could be used to reduce weight but after a very quick investigation, the perceived wisdom on the net seems to be that by the time you've got the spoke thick enough to equal the stiffness of the steel spokes you are replacing, you've lost the weight advantage. If you don't mind loosing stiffness you could save a few grams.
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It looks like titanium spokes could be used to reduce weight but after a very quick investigation, the perceived wisdom on the net seems to be that by the time you've got the spoke thick enough to equal the stiffness of the steel spokes you are replacing, you've lost the weight advantage. If you don't mind loosing stiffness you could save a few grams.
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Hi Schwinnsta, All spokes will stretch and contract a little as the wheel rotates under load even though they're in tension. Consequently I think a little of the riders power will be lost into the rear wheel because of the slightly soft connection between the rear hub and the rim. That matters to me because although I'm not an athlete or a particularly strong rider, (I'm the skinny lad at the back), I want to minimise the length of time I'm holding people up in a group ride so I want as much of my energy as possible to be transferred into forward motion. Obviously it will matter to competetive cyclists looking to gain a technical advantage too, however small the gain. You're question did make me realise however that a titanium spoked front wheel might help to reduce handlebar vibration which can often be a problem on small wheeled folding bikes. Before I got my hands on a Helix, I thought I might have a problem with comfort but I needn't have worried. I have the seat post well extended and I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of spring it has. The ride has a similar feel to my previous folder which has a long travel Thudbuster seat post. The combination of the titanium fork and medium length titanium handle post seem to do a good job absorbing shocks at the front too.
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