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Since comfort is relative, I would modify this slightly to state that they are not as comfortable as wider tires ridden at appropriately lower psi. That should be plainly obvious to pretty much anyone. (Cue the poster on my ignore list who insists that skinny tires pumped to rock hard psi are more comfortable.)
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There is always the option of going custom
At the high end custom framesets can be similar in price to high end frames (if you can get them...trek sells a lot of framesets only https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...acetFrameset1# )
it should be noted that in looking at custom carbon makers options for rim brakes are slim at best
At the high end custom framesets can be similar in price to high end frames (if you can get them...trek sells a lot of framesets only https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...acetFrameset1# )
it should be noted that in looking at custom carbon makers options for rim brakes are slim at best
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What I meant by that was that it's not as easy to do things yourself anymore. Lots of things are proprietary shapes etc. It's not impossible, just more difficult. A slightly ironic thing to write I'll admit, as I myself carry out all my maintenance jobs!
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He's more comfortable being jostled. And that's his right.
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And you're blaming the miscommunication problem on me?
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Since comfort is relative, I would modify this slightly to state that they are not as comfortable as wider tires ridden at appropriately lower psi. That should be plainly obvious to pretty much anyone. (Cue the poster on my ignore list who insists that skinny tires pumped to rock hard psi are more comfortable.)
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I might quibble with your definition of "comfort", but I suppose in the end "comfort" is not just cush, but also contentment - the tendency to find yourself saying, "Ahhhhhhhh!" because what you're experiencing is exactly what you sought out. I was thinking that yesterday, riding my rigid-as-a-brick Battaglin, taking it down a non-technical, no-brakes descent with wide sweepers, tucking and hitting 38 mph - Ahhhhhh!!
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There are still new bikes with mechanical shifting, both entry level and mid level.
There are still new bikes with mechanical disc brakes.
The bikes with hydraulic disc brakes require a couple youtube videos and like $25 in tools to service.
Bikes that are SRAM wireless are super easy to set up.
Bikes that are Shimano di2 can be set up with some youtube videos.
About the only thing that I would say is legitimately more difficult than 5, 10, or 20 years ago would be fully internally routed hoses/housing that runs thru the headset.
But again- there are a ton of quality bikes that still come with cable shifting, easy cable routing, etc.
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IMO, "easy" is about having the right tools, and being familiar with the task. Some tasks take longer than they used to (hydraulic brakes vs. cable brakes). Some are quicker (threaded headsets vs. integrated headsets). In the past, tasks I couldn't do were limited by the tools I had, not my abilities. Currently, there are not any tasks in assembling a bike that I cannot do myself, with the tools I have.
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No, I have admitted to writing in a potentially confusing manner.
I do not understand why you feel the need to critique everything that is being written. I made a mistake in communication. So what? Your reply was unnecessarily confrontational and rude.
Are you one of these people that has nothing better to do all day than sit on a forum causing arguments with people?
No, I have admitted to writing in a potentially confusing manner.
I do not understand why you feel the need to critique everything that is being written. I made a mistake in communication. So what? Your reply was unnecessarily confrontational and rude.
Are you one of these people that has nothing better to do all day than sit on a forum causing arguments with people?
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I do not understand why you feel the need to critique everything that is being written. I made a mistake in communication. So what? Your reply was unnecessarily confrontational and rude.
I do not understand why you feel the need to critique everything that is being written. I made a mistake in communication. So what? Your reply was unnecessarily confrontational and rude.
You didn't write in a "potentially confusing manner;" you wrote something, then later stated that you meant something different. That is a "definitely confusing manner."
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A harder skinnier tire is going to be more comfortable? I am baffled by that one. I really would be curious as I said in the previous post the same bike wider tires (and no issues with clearance) and which one is going to be more comfortable? If you are going to say the harder skinnier tires I don't know what to say. You might be one of those types who sleeps on concrete and says this is comfortable.
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He has already said, multiple times, that he prefers the feeling he gets from 23mm tires pumped up to 140 psi, that this makes him feel more connected to the road - it FEELS faster even it is objectively slower. So even if a setup is objectively faster and with measurably less jarring and jostling, that's not what he wants.
He's more comfortable being jostled. And that's his right.
He's more comfortable being jostled. And that's his right.
140 is high for a lot of pressures, blood, tire, air brush...but hey if you like to live on the edge I guess go for it smd4 If you ever want to try something with wider tires I will let you borrow something : )
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A harder skinnier tire is going to be more comfortable? I am baffled by that one. I really would be curious as I said in the previous post the same bike wider tires (and no issues with clearance) and which one is going to be more comfortable? If you are going to say the harder skinnier tires I don't know what to say. You might be one of those types who sleeps on concrete and says this is comfortable.
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No, I have admitted to writing in a potentially confusing manner.
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No, I have admitted to writing in a potentially confusing manner.
I do not understand why you feel the need to critique everything that is being written. I made a mistake in communication. So what? Your reply was unnecessarily confrontational and rude.
Are you one of these people that has nothing better to do all day than sit on a forum causing arguments with people?
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I wonder why this is so difficult to grasp? My Ferrari/Lincoln Town Car analogy is about the most descriptive I can think of. Or maybe like how I prefer roller coasters to the merry-go-round?
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EDIT: It's not difficult for me to grasp. It's a matter of understanding how people are defining the terms they use.
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It's definitely preference, for sure, but I don't think "familiarity" has anything to do with it. I've ridden the kinds of bikes you guys call "comfortable," and they aren't for me. Perhaps it's just that I'm not bothered by road feel to the extent a lot of you guys are?
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What I can't understand is the constant chatter that seems to indicate otherwise. I know no one from the current CF is better, tires need to be wider believes I could be happy on steel, riding 700x25's at 130#. But it's only important to my happiness that I believe it. "Smoother, more vibration-absorbing ride" are pretty relative terms. They get tossed around all the time here. All bicycles are a compromise between "smoother" and "more efficient", even the older steel ones. It's just the way it is.
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IMO, preference and familiarity go hand-in-hand. You set up your bike to suit your preferences. Those preferences are feelings that are familiar to you, based on many years of riding bikes, and trying different things. I'm exactly the same way. When my bike is set up right - for me - it's comfortable and familiar. If something is off - crank length, handlebar width, seat position, tire feel, etc. - I notice it. Sometimes I have found new preferences when I experiment with new stuff. Sometimes I don't.
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Well, that might be a fair comparison if wider tires at lower pressures weren't 1) objectively faster and 2) superior in cornering. Again, ride what you like, but realize that these things are testable.
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