Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Framebuilders
Reload this Page >

Building lugged CX/touring bike

Framebuilders Thinking about a custom frame? Lugged vs Fillet Brazed. Different Frame materials? Newvex or Pacenti Lugs? why get a custom Road, Mountain, or Track Frame? Got a question about framebuilding? Lets discuss framebuilding at it's finest.

Building lugged CX/touring bike

Old 06-17-19, 10:09 PM
  #51  
Saul KK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts

Bent up a seat stay bridge, and added a boss for fenders.




Nice beefy chainstay bridge brazed in. Also added a Fender boss here.



Here's the jig I made for holding the cantilever bosses in place while brazing.



Fork cantilever bosses all brazed up.



Decided to add some support fins on the rear cantilever cable stop.




All cleaned up.

Last edited by Saul KK; 06-18-19 at 09:24 AM.
Saul KK is offline  
Likes For Saul KK:
Old 06-17-19, 10:48 PM
  #52  
Saul KK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts


Head badge design I came up with. I then cut this out of some thin stainless sheet with a small rotary tool and files.

Silver brazed onto the head tube along with a small brass plate with my initials.



Completed frame minus final clean up and paint


Saul KK is offline  
Likes For Saul KK:
Old 06-18-19, 07:24 AM
  #53  
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 18,316
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 44 Times in 39 Posts
That looks really great, thanks for posting pictures. Your headbadge is nice, understated but attractive. You might have gone a little overboard on the rear brake cable stop though.
unterhausen is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 08:06 AM
  #54  
Andrew R Stewart 
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 11,712

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Raleigh Pro, Trek Cycle Cross, Mongoose tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1778 Post(s)
Liked 64 Times in 49 Posts
Very nice! I like most all of the style and sizzle (although I still dislike straight blades) To Eric's comment about the rear brake cable stop- placing a small hole roughly in the gusset's center would reduce the visual mass. Andy
__________________
AndrewRStewart
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 10:30 AM
  #55  
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 18,316
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 44 Times in 39 Posts
I was a little worried about the hanger being bent on my travel bike. Going to have to think about it a little more. Although I might just go with a detachable hanger. This one would make it through TSA and baggage handlers just fine, that's for sure.
unterhausen is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 06:53 PM
  #56  
Saul KK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Thanks, I was pretty happy with how the head badge came out.

Yeah I can see what you mean about the gussets, but I like them as is. I thought about doing holes in them, but didn't want the added visual complication. The bike was actually finished almost a year ago, I've just been slack with updating this thread. Anyway point being, the gussets look a little less visually dominant with the frame built up with all the components.

The rear dropouts are Llewellyn ones from ceeway, and yeah it would take a pretty decent whack to bend the derailleur hanger, it's pretty beefy.
Saul KK is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 10:02 PM
  #57  
Cynikal
Team Beer
 
Cynikal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sacramento CA
Posts: 6,013

Bikes: Too Many

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Saul, would you share your rattlecad file? I'm curious about your geometry, especially how you kept a 59 degree bottom lug angle with a 400 mm axle to crown.
Cynikal is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 08:47 AM
  #58  
Saul KK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Here's a photo of the frame dimensions, I think it should have everything on it you might want to know. Let me know if not.
Saul KK is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 09:06 AM
  #59  
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 18,316
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 44 Times in 39 Posts
I don't think most people can see that, so image assist
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
geometry.jpg (342.2 KB, 158 views)
unterhausen is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 09:17 AM
  #60  
Saul KK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
You can click on it and zoom in, or am I missing something?
Saul KK is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 09:25 AM
  #61  
Cynikal
Team Beer
 
Cynikal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sacramento CA
Posts: 6,013

Bikes: Too Many

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks. That's perfect.
Cynikal is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 04:31 PM
  #62  
t_e_r_r_y
Senior Member
 
t_e_r_r_y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: oregon coast
Posts: 192
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
any pictures of the bike built up? i really like how it came out, i'd love to see it completed!
t_e_r_r_y is offline  
Old 06-20-19, 04:06 AM
  #63  
Saul KK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Thanks, I keep meaning to get some good photos, but haven't managed yet. Here's some I found on my phone in the meantime.

I also brazed up some racks out of stainless tube. I'll get some photos of those too.
Saul KK is offline  
Likes For Saul KK:
Old 06-21-19, 04:10 PM
  #64  
squirtdad
Senior Member
 
squirtdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Posts: 6,209

Bikes: 90/91 De Rosa, '84 Team Miyata, '82 nishiski,

Mentioned: 58 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 851 Post(s)
Liked 59 Times in 48 Posts
Originally Posted by Saul KK View Post
Thanks, I keep meaning to get some good photos, but haven't managed yet. Here's some I found on my phone in the meantime.

I also brazed up some racks out of stainless tube. I'll get some photos of those too.
that looks like a proper blacksmith shop there.....what is the forge setup?
and very nice bike
__________________
Looking for more time to ride what I have
squirtdad is offline  
Old 06-24-19, 06:25 PM
  #65  
Saul KK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
There's two forges, a smaller venturi style gas forge, and a larger one for bigger pieces like scrolls.
Saul KK is offline  
Old 07-02-19, 03:54 PM
  #66  
t_e_r_r_y
Senior Member
 
t_e_r_r_y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: oregon coast
Posts: 192
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
Originally Posted by Saul KK View Post
Thanks, I keep meaning to get some good photos, but haven't managed yet. Here's some I found on my phone in the meantime.

I also brazed up some racks out of stainless tube. I'll get some photos of those too.
sorry, i forgot to check back in. your bike came out great! i need racks for a couple of my bikes and when i shop around and see how much the nicer stuff goes for i start to think i'd be better off borrowing my dad's brazing rig and build my own. sure, they might be terrible, but i'd bet they would work ok and i would probably learn some things.

Last edited by t_e_r_r_y; 07-08-19 at 01:17 PM.
t_e_r_r_y is offline  
Old 07-03-19, 09:03 AM
  #67  
Andrew R Stewart 
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 11,712

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Raleigh Pro, Trek Cycle Cross, Mongoose tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1778 Post(s)
Liked 64 Times in 49 Posts
terry- Rack making can be an awarding project. Yes you'll learn a bunch. Pretty much all the fabrication skills needed to make a frame are used when making a rack. Andy
__________________
AndrewRStewart
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Likes For Andrew R Stewart:
Old 07-04-19, 04:50 AM
  #68  
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 18,316
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 44 Times in 39 Posts
I see why a lot of builders don't like to build racks, and will only sell them with a frame. And the ones that do sell racks charge accordingly. It's not easy unless you are building many racks of the same geometry and have fixturing.
unterhausen is offline  
Old 07-05-19, 11:44 AM
  #69  
jade408
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,514

Bikes: Working on replacing my stolen Soma Buena Vista Mixte

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 411 Post(s)
Liked 77 Times in 40 Posts
Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
I see why a lot of builders don't like to build racks, and will only sell them with a frame. And the ones that do sell racks charge accordingly. It's not easy unless you are building many racks of the same geometry and have fixturing.
Lesson learned for sure. My custom rack has so many welds on it. I know it was a lot of effort for sure. I definitely didn’t appreciate how complex they were at first glance on the price range.
jade408 is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 04:49 AM
  #70  
Saul KK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts

Saul KK is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 04:58 AM
  #71  
Saul KK
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
To be honest I didn't find the racks too hard, but I went with a relatively simple design. The trickiest part was making the front rack rectangle meet back up in the right place.

I bought one of those $20ish tube benders off ebay, which felt like it was on the verge of breaking every bend, but it held out, and made half decent bends. I reckon you could get away without a bender if you don't mind the tube flattening out a bit more. Just bend it around something round.
Saul KK is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 09:32 AM
  #72  
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 18,316
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 44 Times in 39 Posts
the right size v belt pulley works well
unterhausen is offline  
Old 07-08-19, 01:25 PM
  #73  
t_e_r_r_y
Senior Member
 
t_e_r_r_y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: oregon coast
Posts: 192
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
terry- Rack making can be an awarding project. Yes you'll learn a bunch. Pretty much all the fabrication skills needed to make a frame are used when making a rack. Andy
i've done a lot of mig and tig welding and a little bit of brazing, but nothing quite at the detail and precision level of bicycle stuff. i know i have the skill to do it, just none of the experience. i would really love to build my own frame one day, building my own racks would be a good step in that direction i think. saul's build is definitely inspiring!
t_e_r_r_y is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bikerosity57
Classic & Vintage
23
05-27-19 09:01 AM
BlackPowder
Track Cycling: Velodrome Racing and Training Area
28
03-24-15 01:00 PM
leicanthrope
Classic & Vintage
16
09-08-13 05:26 AM
blamire
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
4
05-06-08 05:13 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.