We're going to yell at you.
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Ideally, find a club with some serious riders who have a "no-drop" casual ride a day or two a week, and learn from them. They're out there.
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My contribution to the infamous "yelling" thread:
I got yelled at during a race last weekend. I bridge up to a two man break. Winded once I get there, I take a quick pull (about 20 - 30 seconds), peel off, and no one pulls after me. I try to rally one of the guys to take a pull, and he started *****ing and screaming and called me an idiot... Apparently, he thought I was the dude behind him sucking his wheel for the last two laps who was contributing NOTHING.
I got yelled at during a race last weekend. I bridge up to a two man break. Winded once I get there, I take a quick pull (about 20 - 30 seconds), peel off, and no one pulls after me. I try to rally one of the guys to take a pull, and he started *****ing and screaming and called me an idiot... Apparently, he thought I was the dude behind him sucking his wheel for the last two laps who was contributing NOTHING.
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It's like little league and other organized sports. You don't jump in with the big boys until you've played in the lower levels. So don't show up to the 50+ rider A+++ pace ride if the only thing you've done before is an MS150 training ride.
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Wow. I think one of those crashes embedded that chip on your shoulder. Elitist aholes and elite riders are not the same thing. It's not about inferiority or superiority either. There are many elitist aholes out there and few of them are actual racers. But to call it a culture? I hope not.
In fact, the dangerous wackos who THINK they know what they're doing are why I quit road racing. Just recently in a local cat 4 race a rider did some sketchy shiat, took down a bunch of riders, and ended up needing his face reconstructed. There are teams and riders in this area who are known to be sketchy. I wasn't a strong enough athlete to just upgrade my way out of that peloton, so self-preservation kicked in and I decided to become a tri geek.
Bottom line is that some folks get yelled at because they deserve it for doing something dangerous/stupid. That's not being an elitist.
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Is there a yelling category? A yelling license? How about a clinic?
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No argument here. Some people take it further. A teammate of mine from many moons ago punched a guy in the head (helmet) in the middle of the district champ crit for riding squirrely. This was the 1/2/3 race and I missed it because I was up the course in a break. I would have pissed my chamois had I seen that. He was so mad he pulled himself from the race rather than face relegation. A standup thing to do.
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Ah, How I fondly recall this thread from its original days..... Having re-read parts of it, I still agree with the OP and I can confirm that yelling and the laying on of hands still occurs in competitive rides and races with the same frequency and for the same reasons as it did three years ago....
Now that the tundra has finally thawed, the flowers are up, and there's a fresh crop of new riders out there trying to hang with the big dogs (who have all been on the road for two months well before the thaw and the appearance of flowers), the yelling will commence anew. Got to love the sounds of spring.
Now that the tundra has finally thawed, the flowers are up, and there's a fresh crop of new riders out there trying to hang with the big dogs (who have all been on the road for two months well before the thaw and the appearance of flowers), the yelling will commence anew. Got to love the sounds of spring.
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There's a progression, and it's all about finding the right group. If you think Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy back to the OP, this was clearly the fast kids' ride. There are a couple of them in this area too--I've done them a couple times, and they hurt. Those are NOT the rides where you learn.
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There's plenty to be learned (humility probably the first). I should have said it's not where you learn the basics of paceline riding.
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I suggested this on the first page of the thread and it was summarily ignored. That's part of the problem. Newbies are expected to magically know when the developmental/lower speed rides are taking place, yet are not given the right information.
But if that hasn't sunk in by post 1200 or so, then what can one expect?
Sure, it's not everyone's job to lead a newbie by the nose, but when the information is at hand and is not provided, certain stereotypes (e.g., the 'elitist' tag) get thrown around, whether just or unjustly applied.
...molotov cocktail hurled... thread goes on...
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For the most part this is correct. The one major basic fact of serious paceline riding that you won't learn on the "easy" paceline rides is that you always pull off INTO the wind. On the easy rides they always pull of into the traffic.
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They still yell at me sometimes, but I don't hear them all the time. F'em.
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If they're not going to make this thread a sticky, it is incumbent upon the Road Nazi Contingent to continually bump it.
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Would 'getting called down' count?
I usually get called down a lot by my peers. It happened yesterday.
"You need to quit wasting so many bullets early on in the race. And learn who to go with"
Right in front of everybody. I would have said something if it wasn't true. I felt like a little kid.
I usually get called down a lot by my peers. It happened yesterday.
"You need to quit wasting so many bullets early on in the race. And learn who to go with"
Right in front of everybody. I would have said something if it wasn't true. I felt like a little kid.
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Exactly. Racing for a $50 LBS gift certificate is not worth risking life, limb, and career. Unfortunately there are folks in the local Cat 4 peloton who ARE willing to take risks and not know WTH they're doing. So I've decided to steer clear. I hear it's much better in the Masters peloton but I'm not old enough. Oh well, I have a few years to get stronger.
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Would 'getting called down' count?
I usually get called down a lot by my peers. It happened yesterday.
"You need to quit wasting so many bullets early on in the race. And learn who to go with"
Right in front of everybody. I would have said something if it wasn't true. I felt like a little kid.
I usually get called down a lot by my peers. It happened yesterday.
"You need to quit wasting so many bullets early on in the race. And learn who to go with"
Right in front of everybody. I would have said something if it wasn't true. I felt like a little kid.
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Exactly. Racing for a $50 LBS gift certificate is not worth risking life, limb, and career. Unfortunately there are folks in the local Cat 4 peloton who ARE willing to take risks and not know WTH they're doing. So I've decided to steer clear. I hear it's much better in the Masters peloton but I'm not old enough. Oh well, I have a few years to get stronger.
See the guy in the light blue and red helmet, all the way in the back--on the right sitting up? Yeah...that's me.
At this point, top 10, or i'll sit up and watch the carnage. I lost the top 10 thing, so coming in at the back of the pack in one piece is A-OK with me.
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The hell it was. Several times the OP mentioned the Wednesday ride as the teaching ride.
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My simple suggestion was this: Why not make the Wednesday night or whenever 'teaching' ride a prerequisite for joining the Tuesday ride?
Would that be too much to suggest overtly before this whole thing gets going? Or does it somehow violate unwritten rules of having to learn the hard way?
It's one thing to yell at someone out on the road. That may be warranted. It's another thing to proactively coach someone with the rules/expectations before they join a ride to head at least some of that yelling off at the pass, which this thread is obviously attempting to do. But not every new rider reads this hallowed thread.
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I haven't raced much, but I agree with EventServices in that if you do something stupid, you should get yelled at.
A fast and serious training ride is not the venue to learn the basics of paceline/peloton riding. There are groups for that which will correct you much less harshly.
I haven't been in a race where someone did something stupid (since I was always in the back ), but I've seen races where those things have happened...and it's not pretty.
A fast and serious training ride is not the venue to learn the basics of paceline/peloton riding. There are groups for that which will correct you much less harshly.
I haven't been in a race where someone did something stupid (since I was always in the back ), but I've seen races where those things have happened...and it's not pretty.
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I got yelled at this weekend, by my own teammates, for attacking up the shoulder in a road race. My teammate, as well as a couple other riders gave me **** for it. I felt pretty safe, but whatever. It was pretty clear, except for a little bit of gravel at one driveway. I was gonna bail to the grass if I had to, I wasn't planning on taking out the peloton. Another rider managed to take out most of the peloton later anyway.