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Old 03-23-19, 03:07 PM
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Angry Bees, Freehub noise

Help me understand , what's the fascination , with the noisy , Angry Bee's , free hubs ? Every time, there is a bike demo, on GCN, they test the freehub for noise and love it. Personally, I prefer a quiet freehub, the only noise someone is going to hear, is the swishing of my tires, as I fly pass another rider . Thanks. KB
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There is one benefit. You can make slower riders know you are behind them without yelling out or using a bell. Other than that Im not a fan.
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Originally Posted by Racing Dan
There is one benefit. You can make slower riders know you are behind them without yelling out or using a bell. Other than that Im not a fan.
Thanks, good point. KB
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It’s like loud exhaust on a motorcycle. It’s a display of “coolness”
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Bees are cool too, especially thee killer ones from Mexico:

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Well, guess I ain't cool. But stealthy KB
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Noisy beehive hubs are for losers! Turbo Spoke is what the cool riders roll with.


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That's your "HTFU warning". It tells you that you've stopped pedalling.
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Originally Posted by kcblair
Help me understand , what's the fascination , with the noisy , Angry Bee's , free hubs ? Every time, there is a bike demo, on GCN, they test the freehub for noise and love it. Personally, I prefer a quiet freehub, the only noise someone is going to hear, is the swishing of my tires, as I fly pass another rider . Thanks. KB
I'm with you. Quiet is now cool. Love my set of dead silent OnyxRP hubs. Video of someone else's:

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ooh a dead silent hub!! I could get into that!
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Originally Posted by motosonic
ooh a dead silent hub!! I could get into that!
They're not light weight due to the nature of a sprag clutch....but they're nice hubs. Also blingy. Also MUSA (if that matters to you)

https://onyxrp.com/tech/
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti
I'm with you. Quiet is now cool. Love my set of dead silent OnyxRP hubs. Video of someone else's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLwP4bzf010
Now that's quiet KB
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Originally Posted by seypat
Noisy beehive hubs are for losers! Turbo Spoke is what the cool riders roll with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiXiADMDMDE
Reminds me of this (seen in another thread):

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Originally Posted by kcblair
Help me understand , what's the fascination , with the noisy , Angry Bee's , free hubs ? Every time, there is a bike demo, on GCN, they test the freehub for noise and love it. Personally, I prefer a quiet freehub, the only noise someone is going to hear, is the swishing of my tires, as I fly pass another rider . Thanks. KB
Most of the high end MTB hubs have quicker engagement by adding lots of teeth. They tend to be noisy, but are effective when using the ratcheting technique in technical terrain.

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It’s like loud exhaust on a motorcycle. It’s a display of “coolness”
With motorcycles it's about safety on the roadway. You may not see them but you can hear them.

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That's your "HTFU warning". It tells you that you've stopped pedalling.
Definitely!
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With motorcycles it's about safety on the roadway. You may not see them but you can hear them.
That's the claim, anyway. In truth, modern car interiors are pretty well insulated against outside noise, and even if your average driver can hear the motorcycle coming nearer, they're not going to locate it soon enough by sound to avoid anything.

Bikers mainly just want to be loud.
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With motorcycles it's about safety on the roadway. You may not see them but you can hear them.
Definitely!
If that were true, they would point the exhaust pipes forward, so you could hear them coming.
It makes no sense to have the pipes pointed to the rear, so you hear them leaving.
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Originally Posted by Racing Dan
There is one benefit. You can make slower riders know you are behind them without yelling out or using a bell. Other than that Im not a fan.
probably the only good thing.. my industry9 torch hubs are too loud for my liking.... I went back to DT240 on the next 2 wheel sets I purchased because of sound. Also because I share wheels between gravel/road sometimes... the cost of CK and I9 XD conversions free hubs is stupid high...DT Swiss is cheap.
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You guys spend too much time coasting!
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
That's the claim, anyway. In truth, modern car interiors are pretty well insulated against outside noise, and even if your average driver can hear the motorcycle coming nearer, they're not going to locate it soon enough by sound to avoid anything.

Bikers mainly just want to be loud.
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If that were true, they would point the exhaust pipes forward, so you could hear them coming.
It makes no sense to have the pipes pointed to the rear, so you hear them leaving.
These quotes make me wonder if you guys actually drive near motorcycles very often. I can hear them when they are in my blind spot, which is exactly where they need to be heard. But as with everything there is always the "hey, look at me" crowd. I'm not a biker so I don't have a dog in this fight. Just passing along the common idea behind loud MC pipes.

I have 2 bikes with DT350 hubs, my road bike has a 36t ratchet and my gravel bike has a 54t ratchet. The 54t is obvously louder than the 36t. They can be made quieter simply by applying a little more grease to the star ratchet when servicing the hub. Pretty simple and effective. I prefer the louder hub noise when riding near hikers as they are more aware of me coming up from behind. The road bike can get annoying when on a century ride but not as much as on shorter time rides. I try to keep the road bike as quiet as I can.
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Originally Posted by Bryan C.
These quotes make me wonder if you guys actually drive near motorcycles very often. I can hear them when they are in my blind spot, which is exactly where they need to be heard. But as with everything there is always the "hey, look at me" crowd. I'm not a biker so I don't have a dog in this fight. Just passing along the common idea behind loud MC pipes.
Well, I am a biker, but I don't feel the need to remove the stock exhaust and replace it with expensive aftermarket junk, just to compensate for a small ego (or other things). In fact, cruising at freeway speed, my engine is less noticeable than the roar of air against my helmet.
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Originally Posted by Bryan C.
These quotes make me wonder if you guys actually drive near motorcycles very often. I can hear them when they are in my blind spot, which is exactly where they need to be heard. But as with everything there is always the "hey, look at me" crowd. I'm not a biker so I don't have a dog in this fight. Just passing along the common idea behind loud MC pipes.

I have 2 bikes with DT350 hubs, my road bike has a 36t ratchet and my gravel bike has a 54t ratchet. The 54t is obvously louder than the 36t. They can be made quieter simply by applying a little more grease to the star ratchet when servicing the hub. Pretty simple and effective. I prefer the louder hub noise when riding near hikers as they are more aware of me coming up from behind. The road bike can get annoying when on a century ride but not as much as on shorter time rides. I try to keep the road bike as quiet as I can.
Simple, and effective, and temporary. Did it to my Bitex hubs...needed some grease every thousand miles or so...6+ times a year. Gets old.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti
Simple, and effective, and temporary. Did it to my Bitex hubs...needed some grease every thousand miles or so...6+ times a year. Gets old.
It doesn't take much time or effort for the DT Swiss hubs. Not a big deal for me.
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Reminds me of this (seen in another thread):

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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo
Well, I am a biker, but I don't feel the need to remove the stock exhaust and replace it with expensive aftermarket junk, just to compensate for a small ego (or other things). In fact, cruising at freeway speed, my engine is less noticeable than the roar of air against my helmet.
I wouldn't do it either as I hate the drone noise. But some people feel safer with the loud pipes. Similar to the flashing bike lights during the day. Effective or not people still do it.
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Originally Posted by Bryan C.
These quotes make me wonder if you guys actually drive near motorcycles very often. I can hear them when they are in my blind spot, which is exactly where they need to be heard. But as with everything there is always the "hey, look at me" crowd. I'm not a biker so I don't have a dog in this fight. Just passing along the common idea behind loud MC pipes.
Oh, I'm well familiar. Been hearing "Loud pipes save lives" for years, and it makes some intuitive sense. I just don't think it provides nearly the benefit that motorcyclists think it does. And in the meantime, they're wrecking their own hearing, making them less able to hear other vehicles on the road.
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