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Old 12-27-19, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TakingMyTime View Post
Today while browsing the Bed Bath & Beyond flyer we get in the mail I noticed they're selling a CBD oil infused pillow.

I'm trying to think of something that it doesn't claim to cure or fix.
Bed Bath & Beyond is going to change their name. With this CBD stuff going on.


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^ That dude needs a CBD lozenge.
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Old 12-28-19, 08:26 AM
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Are you saying the medical system wouldn't be able to make any money doing acupuncture if it worked, even when a physical therapy appointment costs $300 for 45 minutes?
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Old 12-28-19, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
I'm not required to answer your questions.

I commented about your nonsense about acupuncture (which had nothing to do with your question).
I wasn't expecting an intelligent response.
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Old 12-28-19, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
It has nothing to do with the fact that acupuncture doesn't work.
That is not a fact. Asserting that your statement is factual does not make it so.
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Old 12-28-19, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jon c. View Post
That is not a fact. Asserting that your statement is factual does not make it so.
I didn't assert. I provided links.

Here's another:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-acupuncture/

.It was also not the main point of what I was saying (the underlined part).

Do you even realize that no-motor did the same thing you are complaining I did?

Try to pay attention.

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Old 12-28-19, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
I wasn't expecting an intelligent response.
But you got one anyway.

(Try to avoid insulting people.)

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Old 12-28-19, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
I didn't assert. I provided links.

Do you even realize that no-motor did the same thing you are complaining I did?

Try to pay attention.

There are a lot of opinions out there. Opinions are not the same as facts.

The rest is irrelevant.

Have a good day.
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Old 12-28-19, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
But you got one anyway.

(Try to avoid insulting people.)
I was merely stating another fact.
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
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Why do you think the medical community wouldn't be able to profit from acupuncture as a service if it was an effective treatment?
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Old 12-29-19, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Why do you think the medical community wouldn't be able to profit from acupuncture as a service if it was an effective treatment?
Acupuncturists routinely charge for it. Presumably, making a profit (for something that isn't effective).

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That means "profit motive" has nothing to do with why acupuncture isn't part of western medicine then.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
That means "profit motive" has nothing to do with why acupuncture isn't part of western medicine then.
Acupuncture has no benefit at all to the pharmaceutical industry, In fact, if it works, they might well lose sales and profits. So big pharma has zero reason to embrace acupuncture and very good reason to feel it as a threat.

Big pharma is invested in providing medicines that maintain an acceptable level of wellness without achieving either real health that allows that person to walk away from the drugs they provide or a maintenance plan that doesn't require expensive (and preferably patented) drugs. Being stuck with needles that can be sterilized and re-used doesn't fit their agenda at all.

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Old 12-29-19, 03:57 PM
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Everything you said applies to physical therapy, too, Big Pharma doesn't profit from people being guided through rehabilitation from injuries. And guess what? PT is prescribed by doctors pretty often. It's expensive without insurance too. The difference between PT and acupuncture is that PT is an effective, evidence-based treatment.
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Old 12-29-19, 03:58 PM
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This thread went deep into conspiracy theory land.
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Old 12-29-19, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
This thread went deep into conspiracy theory land.
That's what they want you to think.
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Here's one: if CBD did half of what people claim, Big Pharma would never have allowed states to legalize it. 🤯
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Old 12-29-19, 07:43 PM
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That's what they want you to think.
Who are THEY and what do THEY want?
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
I didn't assert. I provided links.

Here's another:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-acupuncture/

.It was also not the main point of what I was saying (the underlined part).

Do you even realize that no-motor did the same thing you are complaining I did?

Try to pay attention.
You did provide links... did you read the material presented? The conclusions were NOT that acupuncture did not work, but that it did not work for depression. They cited examples of how acupuncture worked for relieving pain, and the mechanisms involved.
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You did provide links... did you read the material presented? The conclusions were NOT that acupuncture did not work, but that it did not work for depression. They cited examples of how acupuncture worked for relieving pain, and the mechanisms involved.
You missed the first two links I posted and didn't read the third one carefully. The third links is not just about how well it works for depression.
​​​​​

I, at least, provided something. No motor provided nothing. No one complained about that.

It's a weird double standard. That you and others seem clueless about doing.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/acupuncture/

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Old 12-30-19, 08:10 AM
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I did confirm while at the mall yesterday... there is a kiosk selling CBD
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
Acupuncture has no benefit at all to the pharmaceutical industry, In fact, if it works, they might well lose sales and profits. So big pharma has zero reason to embrace acupuncture and very good reason to feel it as a threat.

Big pharma is invested in providing medicines that maintain an acceptable level of wellness without achieving either real health that allows that person to walk away from the drugs they provide or a maintenance plan that doesn't require expensive (and preferably patented) drugs. Being stuck with needles that can be sterilized and re-used doesn't fit their agenda at all.

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Exactly, except the needles aren't reused.

Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Everything you said applies to physical therapy, too, Big Pharma doesn't profit from people being guided through rehabilitation from injuries. And guess what? PT is prescribed by doctors pretty often. It's expensive without insurance too. The difference between PT and acupuncture is that PT is an effective, evidence-based treatment.
You overlooked the huge difference - with pt the patient goes to see someone who won't end up helping the patient with other problems that are being/can be treated with drugs. You can believe an industry that finds people dieing from not being able to afford their insulin/inhaler acceptable as well as the lives lost to the side effects of Vioxx/Avandia/opioids etc would want to keep patients in the system, but the facts speak otherwise.
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I did confirm while at the mall yesterday... there is a kiosk selling CBD
I bet you saw more ads for drugs there too. As well as on TV, the internet, print ads.....
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
Exactly, except the needles aren't reused.


You overlooked the huge difference - with pt the patient goes to see someone who won't end up helping the patient with other problems that are being/can be treated with drugs. You can believe an industry that finds people dieing from not being able to afford their insulin/inhaler acceptable as well as the lives lost to the side effects of Vioxx/Avandia/opioids etc would want to keep patients in the system, but the facts speak otherwise.
So now you're telling me that physical therapy helps to fix what you go see them about, but acupuncture fixes everything wrong with you and you never need to see a doctor again?? How does this make sense to you?

A PT helps the patient with problems that can be masked with pain killers and anti-inflammatories. Those are drugs, some of them expensive.

My doctor gave me pain killers, muscle relaxants, steroids, and a referral to physical therapy for a very bad case of tendinitis. It's not one or the other. It's what's good for the patient.
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