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Old 01-03-20, 09:42 AM
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Handlebar, stem OA’d, headset lubed and assembled. The chain was soaked and scrubbed to an acceptable degree, lubed with Marvel’s and awaiting a reconditioned rear, wood wheel and tire.


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So my wife and a very special friend arranged to have this bike under the tree for me tonight. I am still in a state of shock. I had all but written off the thought of getting this bike.

Fully intact, true barn find, 1898 Glenwood.

Ha, you got it!!! Very cool, congrats. 👍

I think Id better refrain from saying anything, about thanking those gift-givers. I imagine you handled that pretty well on your own. 😉
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Ha, you got it!!! Very cool, congrats. 👍

I think Id better refrain from saying anything, about thanking those gift-givers. I imagine you handled that pretty well on your own. 😉
I am still amazed and probably will be for quite some time. This was over the top. My friend just flat out blew me away.
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Uh-oh. Now I have to stop neglecting my learning how to lace wheelsets. Stuff is getting real up here.






Also, a slight departure on keeping all patina preserved, with new spokes, tires and cleaned hub, the old paint on the wood rims is giving way to refinished, stained and sealed rims that scream, “wooden rims!!”.


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Gorgeous work! One of the local guys that works on this REALLY old stuff claims that larger 700c tubulars can indeed be glued to these old 28" wooden rims, "after a few weeks of pre-stretching". YMMV.
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Gorgeous work! One of the local guys that works on this REALLY old stuff claims that larger 700c tubulars can indeed be glued to these old 28" wooden rims, "after a few weeks of pre-stretching". YMMV.
They do! When I removed the petrified rock-like tires, first thing I did was test stretch one of my spare tubulars over a rim. That gave me some confidence for when its time to order the tires.
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How is the saddle? There's a place, Backpeddling, in Guelph, Ontario, Canada that has a lot of really old stuff. They might even have a saddle if you needed one.

Didn't 700C tubular tires be referred to as 28" by a lot of people?

Good luck with the restoration.

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Originally Posted by OldsCOOL View Post

Also, a slight departure on keeping all patina preserved, with new spokes, tires and cleaned hub, the old paint on the wood rims is giving way to refinished, stained and sealed rims that scream, wooden rims!!.
YES!!!!!

Any guess on what species of wood the rims are?
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Didn't 700C tubular tires be referred to as 28" by a lot of people?

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In Canada, yes.
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YES!!!!!

Any guess on what species of wood the rims are?
Hichory, Tamarack, Larch, Elm and laminated!
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YES!!!!!

Any guess on what species of wood the rims are?
Birch is a good guess.
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Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
How is the saddle? There's a place, Backpeddling, in Guelph, Ontario, Canada that has a lot of really old stuff. They might even have a saddle if you needed one.

Didn't 700C tubular tires be referred to as 28" by a lot of people?

Good luck with the restoration.

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Yes, it can be a bit confusing on the size but it is 28. The saddle on it was intact but needs sewing. If you find an 1890s era seat for it, let me know. If it isnt too pricey I might be a buyer. Thanx!
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Front rim sanded and fresh stain applied. Polyurethane to be applied later. Now, all I need is for the new spokes to show up. Patience is a virtue. It’s been 2 weeks since the start of this project.


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I'm not sure what you're planning on using for poly, but IMO you should use flammable polyurethane for these rims, the water based stuff just doesn't penetrate into the grain of the wood to really bring it out well like the oil based stuff does.
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Front rim sanded and fresh stain applied. Polyurethane to be applied later. Now, all I need is for the new spokes to show up. Patience is a virtue. Its been 2 weeks since the start of this project.


Use a traditional spar varnish, not poly. Very little difference between Pratt & Lambert Vitralite Spar and what would have been used originally. Epifanes would be another good choice but the P&L is easier to brush. Biggest difference would be that when that bike was new painters cooked their own varnish. Don't be that authentic.

28" Palmer tire size was standardized in June-July 1892. It's never changed.

Put up a notice on the CABE. Original original tires can still be had. Some of them can even be used. Parade duty, not long rides. More likely to be singletube than tubular but either fits and either existed when bike was new.
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Use a traditional spar varnish, not poly. Very little difference between Pratt & Lambert Vitralite Spar and what would have been used originally. Epifanes would be another good choice but the P&L is easier to brush. Biggest difference would be that when that bike was new painters cooked their own varnish. Don't be that authentic.

28" Palmer tire size was standardized in June-July 1892. It's never changed.

Put up a notice on the CABE. Original original tires can still be had. Some of them can even be used. Parade duty, not long rides. More likely to be singletube than tubular but either fits and either existed when bike was new.
Good info, thanks!
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Spiffied up and ready for spoking. The one on the right will be restored this week.
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Spiffied up and ready for spoking. The one on the right will be restored this week.
Is that a lap joint at about 2 o'clock on the restored rim? does a spoke hole go through that lap joint?

Looks great!
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Is that a lap joint at about 2 o'clock on the restored rim? does a spoke hole go through that lap joint?

Looks great!
Good eye. Here is a closer look at the joint, near the valve hole and between spokes. Craftsmanship was top notch back then.


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Thats an interesting joint, I've never seen an angled finger joint like that, but I've also never seen a wooden bicycle rim! Was there any apparent movement in that joint before you sanded the rim?

Thanks for the pic :-)
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Loving this. Way WAY before the era of bikes I'm personally into, but this thread has me riveted. Can't wait to see the completed bike and hear how it rides.
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New spokes, yes. What are you using for nipples? The originals? I have a handful of 3/4" Torringtons and glad of it, those rims look like you'd need something longer. Washers?
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Am also absolutely entranced by this entire thread. What you're doing is where I hope to be in the next year or two, once the shop's done.
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Thats an interesting joint, I've never seen an angled finger joint like that, but I've also never seen a wooden bicycle rim! Was there any apparent movement in that joint before you sanded the rim?

Thanks for the pic :-)
Rock solid. When doing the stripping and sanding Im careful to not test the lateral rigidity. Incredible how they joined that rim.
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New spokes, yes. What are you using for nipples? The originals? I have a handful of 3/4" Torringtons and glad of it, those rims look like you'd need something longer. Washers?
The nipples are about 3/4 steel and spokes are in SAE length. There appears to be an inset washer to seat the nipple on to protect the wood from giving way.
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