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Old 05-12-19, 01:03 PM
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Us-es and Thems. This thread falls perfectly in line with Behave, by Robert Sapolsky.
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Old 05-12-19, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by one4smoke View Post
Could be... when you're on your expensive road bike in full kit, they perceive you to be a holier-than-thou with a better than average income. While on the other hand, riding the ol' Schwinn Varsity dressed in jeans and t-shirt, they think you're some Joe down on his luck that can't afford a car, and feel sorry for ya.
^^^^ Lots of this.

Unless you're wearing black slacks and a white shirt, then you're a Mormon, and you get extra points for hitting those guys

Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
In my experience, its the light that gets driver's attention -- long before anything you wear (unless its highly reflective gear). Most motorist yield when I have my lights on, but brake and slow when I wear my reflective gear.

It's not about visibility, so much as being different from 'normal.' A guy on a bike in a hi-viz vest, with a bunch of blinky lights hits a little of the 'wierd-o' factor for most people. They give you room, because their 'alligator brain' says "this is unusual! Be Wary!"
This type of rider is often a borderline VC, and may be found in traffic environments where it would be unusual to find a cyclist.
We have one around here, a beardy old dude who has a couple of different 'bents and some sort of partly-faired bakfiets. He rides in traffic i'd be wary of on a motorcycle. People give him lots of room.

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Old 05-13-19, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Well, yeah. But that would make one segment of the population the babysitter of the other segment. In fact, safety should be divided between the two. Being aware of your environment is not just the responsibility of the other person. Rather, something that should be everybody's duty.
You're right, it should. But it isn't, so this is how I survive riding with cars.
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Old 05-13-19, 10:46 AM
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The tattooed tanktop rider isn't perceived to be jockeying for social superiority. They are lower in status & they know it. So there is no conflict for the obviously superior drivers to react against.
Says who??
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Old 05-13-19, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Korina View Post
You're right, it should. But it isn't, so this is how I survive riding with cars.
Well giving in to bullies is one way to avoid confrontation; and fear is a great motivator. Thing is, the more you give in, the more they take. I wouldn't want to live like that.
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Old 05-13-19, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
Says who??
Yeah, I know it's not true in real life. People are people & for the most part we're all equally unimportant nobodies except in our own individual world. But among drivers that have a chip on their shoulder, in their perception, it's true. Theres just nothing for them to act against. So they just go by. Maybe they'll mention a word to their 7 year-old passenger to study in school or something...If they take notice at all.

I'd like to back out of this thread now. I have enough of these conversations with people who come to me around the lunch table in real life. Sometimes it's taxing. Sometimes I change a mind. In anycase, it's fatiguing, so I'm going to let it be.

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Old 05-13-19, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Well giving in to bullies is one way to avoid confrontation; and fear is a great motivator. Thing is, the more you give in, the more they take. I wouldn't want to live like that.
Where did she say anything that indicated she was giving into bullies?
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Old 05-13-19, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Well giving in to bullies is one way to avoid confrontation; and fear is a great motivator. Thing is, the more you give in, the more they take. I wouldn't want to live like that.
I disagree; giving in to bullies would be not riding. Riding defensively is just sensible.
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Old 05-14-19, 01:59 AM
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I think there for

I think you over thinking it....
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Old 05-14-19, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Well giving in to bullies is one way to avoid confrontation; and fear is a great motivator. Thing is, the more you give in, the more they take. I wouldn't want to live like that.

Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Where did she say anything that indicated she was giving into bullies?
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Giving in to bullies would be not riding. Riding defensively is just sensible.
You know what takes the wind out of a bully? Ignoring them.

I don't have the want or need to exert my right to have the world conform to the way i think it should be to everyone I interact with.
That just takes too much energy.

I'm all about making things go as smoothly for me and those around me.
Do I take the lane? Sure, when I need to, but I will also let the cars through as soon as it's safe for me to do so, and not a meter longer.

I used to ride very assertively when i rode motos, and had the advantage of size and speed.
On the velo, not so much.

You have to be water; A Leaf on the Wind.
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Old 05-14-19, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ironfish653 View Post
You know what takes the wind out of a bully? Ignoring them.

I don't have the want or need to exert my right to have the world conform to the way i think it should be to everyone I interact with.
That just takes too much energy.

I'm all about making things go as smoothly for me and those around me.
Do I take the lane? Sure, when I need to, but I will also let the cars through as soon as it's safe for me to do so, and not a meter longer.

I used to ride very assertively when i rode motos, and had the advantage of size and speed.
On the velo, not so much.

You have to be water; A Leaf on the Wind.
Too soon, dude, too soon! Besides, that leaf on the wind thing didn't go so well.

As for the rest; ride your own ride, man. Do what makes you happy.
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