Suntour Superbe Pro brakes, shifters, FD and RD
11-16-20, 11:16 PM
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Suntour Superbe Pro brakes, shifters, FD and RD
Brake set w/levers. Levers are nice, and not easy to come by. They have Dia Compe hoods which are nice. Calipers are okay, front better than rear. Rear has faded logos, and is missing the rubber center cone on the center bolt. Some light rust on steel parts. $135 shipped.
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11-16-20, 11:20 PM
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Superbe Pro RD. Some rash as shown in the pics. RD has a significant scar on the front clamp, also shown in the pics. Command Friction shifters are nice, a little missing material on the logos. Some tape residue. Indexed shifters have a little damage to the finish.
$150 with buyers choice of one pair of shifters. $220 if buyer wants both sets.
$150 with buyers choice of one pair of shifters. $220 if buyer wants both sets.
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11-17-20, 10:31 AM
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I will point out that the calipers are the harder to find hidden spring model.
11-17-20, 10:59 AM
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Two things to clear up for me.
- There are two sets of derailleurs?
- You mention command shifters but I only see DT levers pictured.
11-17-20, 02:14 PM
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If someone wants the brakeset, RD/FD, and both sets of shifters, I'd go $340 for everything. Essentially shared shipping discount. I'm already "at cost" on these.
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11-18-20, 08:47 AM
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Also should mention that the brake levers and hidden spring calipers are a matched set. Just install copy on a Trek 760. Beautiful set with really fine actuation. The set I used have very strong springs in the calipers.
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11-27-20, 01:47 AM
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GLWS! That's my all-time favorite bit of Suntour kit right there. I don't think anybody's done a nicer single-pivot caliper than those, especially. The indexed levers look like the later, post-lawsuit versions with a "soft-click" index lockout. Shimano sued Suntour for patent infringement over the lockout mechanism, so it was changed to not fully lockout the clicks, but keep 'em soft enough to basically still be a friction shift. I referred to all such product designs/changes as PAT, or Patent Avoidance Technology.
I've seen "Power Command" used in reference to the non-indexed levers, mainly in velobase and on ebay listings, but I'm not sure where that comes from.
We never referred to them as Power Command in the USA, and the Japanese-language catalogs and tech stuff all call them out as Power Control. The indexed dt levers, in comparison, are called "Index Power Control;" "Command" isn't used there, either. If the non-indexed shifters were called Power Command, why wouldn't the indexed shifters be called Index Power Command? Not that the Japan-side product guys were always the most logical when it came to using English buzzwords, or understood subtleties, but I can't see them using two different words for the same concept. And we would've given them a hard time about it.
We had to put the kibosh on "Power Index System," which they really liked the sound of, because we didn't want US dealers/consumers teasing us about out PIS(S) shift levers. IPC was choice #2 in Japan, but we torpedoed PIS. We didn't always fight them, though. When the market had suddenly changed to really narrow ATB bars, with short grips, Japan came out with a stupid-long, really hard rubber grip. One of our guys looked at it, chuckled and said: "Wow, that's a two-fister if I've ever seen one." And the engineers shouted: "Two-Fister Grip! That's a great name!!" We knew nobody would buy it, so we let them name it the Two-Fister. It was fun at product meetings when that slide went up on the screen and we passed around the Two-Fister Grip. But I digress...
I can't remember "Command" being used to describe or name a Suntour shifter until the bar-mount, wing-shaped Command shifters came out. The Japanese product guys were very excited and proud of that name. It sure felt new, like a retread or re-purposing a name/term already in use.
I'm not saying it can't be, just saying I don't remember ever seeing it described or written about that way internally at Suntour.
I've seen "Power Command" used in reference to the non-indexed levers, mainly in velobase and on ebay listings, but I'm not sure where that comes from.
We never referred to them as Power Command in the USA, and the Japanese-language catalogs and tech stuff all call them out as Power Control. The indexed dt levers, in comparison, are called "Index Power Control;" "Command" isn't used there, either. If the non-indexed shifters were called Power Command, why wouldn't the indexed shifters be called Index Power Command? Not that the Japan-side product guys were always the most logical when it came to using English buzzwords, or understood subtleties, but I can't see them using two different words for the same concept. And we would've given them a hard time about it.
We had to put the kibosh on "Power Index System," which they really liked the sound of, because we didn't want US dealers/consumers teasing us about out PIS(S) shift levers. IPC was choice #2 in Japan, but we torpedoed PIS. We didn't always fight them, though. When the market had suddenly changed to really narrow ATB bars, with short grips, Japan came out with a stupid-long, really hard rubber grip. One of our guys looked at it, chuckled and said: "Wow, that's a two-fister if I've ever seen one." And the engineers shouted: "Two-Fister Grip! That's a great name!!" We knew nobody would buy it, so we let them name it the Two-Fister. It was fun at product meetings when that slide went up on the screen and we passed around the Two-Fister Grip. But I digress...
I can't remember "Command" being used to describe or name a Suntour shifter until the bar-mount, wing-shaped Command shifters came out. The Japanese product guys were very excited and proud of that name. It sure felt new, like a retread or re-purposing a name/term already in use.
I'm not saying it can't be, just saying I don't remember ever seeing it described or written about that way internally at Suntour.
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11-29-20, 09:59 PM
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Bump with trade wants.
Weinman Carrera drilled brake levers, Campy NR levers and calipers, BB for a mid 70's Nevar double crankset (English thread), T/A (or clone) double crankset/bb for another Schwinn project, Campagnolo Rallye RD (Schwinn branded GT300 would work also).
Weinman Carrera drilled brake levers, Campy NR levers and calipers, BB for a mid 70's Nevar double crankset (English thread), T/A (or clone) double crankset/bb for another Schwinn project, Campagnolo Rallye RD (Schwinn branded GT300 would work also).
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12-06-20, 03:40 PM
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I'd guess that they would not Robbie.
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12-08-20, 11:27 AM
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@nesteel - Are the index shifters 7 or 8 speed?
Do you know if they will fit on a braze on?
How much for just the index shifters?
Do you know if they will fit on a braze on?
How much for just the index shifters?
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12-09-20, 04:28 PM
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@nesteel - Are the index shifters 7 or 8 speed?
Do you know if they will fit on a braze on?
How much for just the index shifters?
Do you know if they will fit on a braze on?
How much for just the index shifters?
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12-09-20, 09:10 PM
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Sorry, didin't get what you are asking for just these.
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12-10-20, 09:23 AM
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Brakes and rd/fd with friction shifters are on hold pending a possible deal on a crankset.
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