So Lance was doping after all
07-27-07, 03:50 PM
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So Lance was doping after all
Beta-CHG is a hormone that is produced naturally by the body when the body has testicular cancer. It also happens to be a banned substance and one tested by the various sport organizations, including the UCI.
Several professional athletes have tested positive for Beta-CHG, professed their innocence, and later were proven to have been innocent because they were diagnosed with testicular cancer. The testing may have saved their lives because of the early detection of the cancer.
Lance was tested by the UCI several times during the period in which he had testicular cancer. He did not test positive for beta-CHG. Not even once.
He never sued the UCI for negligence. In fact, he never even castigated them for failing to find beta-CHG, a finding that would have greatly helped prevent his cancer from developing to the near fatal stage that it did.
This repeated failure to detect beta-CHG makes no sense whatsoever unless Lance was doping.
I learned this factoid from Walsh's most recent book. I went on the internet and confirmed that beta-CHG is, in fact, routinely tested to determine whether a man has testicular cancer.
This is the evidence that has changed my mind about Lance. It's just not possible that several of these tests would all have failed to catch beta-CHG, unless he was somehow diluting or cleansing his blood before the dope tests.
This guy has fooled most of the world, and got rich by cheating.
Several professional athletes have tested positive for Beta-CHG, professed their innocence, and later were proven to have been innocent because they were diagnosed with testicular cancer. The testing may have saved their lives because of the early detection of the cancer.
Lance was tested by the UCI several times during the period in which he had testicular cancer. He did not test positive for beta-CHG. Not even once.
He never sued the UCI for negligence. In fact, he never even castigated them for failing to find beta-CHG, a finding that would have greatly helped prevent his cancer from developing to the near fatal stage that it did.
This repeated failure to detect beta-CHG makes no sense whatsoever unless Lance was doping.
I learned this factoid from Walsh's most recent book. I went on the internet and confirmed that beta-CHG is, in fact, routinely tested to determine whether a man has testicular cancer.
This is the evidence that has changed my mind about Lance. It's just not possible that several of these tests would all have failed to catch beta-CHG, unless he was somehow diluting or cleansing his blood before the dope tests.
This guy has fooled most of the world, and got rich by cheating.
07-27-07, 04:02 PM
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Yes, anything written in a book is the truth.
Hey, did you read about the Martian base on the moon? There is a book on that too. What about the whole civilization living inside the Earth? There a several books on that. They are actually superior beings to us you know.
You had better get off the forum. You have a lot more factoids to read up on.
Hey, did you read about the Martian base on the moon? There is a book on that too. What about the whole civilization living inside the Earth? There a several books on that. They are actually superior beings to us you know.
You had better get off the forum. You have a lot more factoids to read up on.
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Yes, anything written in a book is the truth.
Hey, did you read about the Martian base on the moon? There is a book on that too. What about the whole civilization living inside the Earth? There a several books on that. They are actually superior beings to us you know.
You had better get off the forum. You have a lot more factoids to read up on.
Hey, did you read about the Martian base on the moon? There is a book on that too. What about the whole civilization living inside the Earth? There a several books on that. They are actually superior beings to us you know.
You had better get off the forum. You have a lot more factoids to read up on.
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Please explain this bit of logic.
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07-27-07, 04:17 PM
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Beta-CHG is a hormone that is produced naturally by the body when the body has testicular cancer. It also happens to be a banned substance and one tested by the various sport organizations, including the UCI.
Several professional athletes have tested positive for Beta-CHG, professed their innocence, and later were proven to have been innocent because they were diagnosed with testicular cancer. The testing may have saved their lives because of the early detection of the cancer.
Lance was tested by the UCI several times during the period in which he had testicular cancer. He did not test positive for beta-CHG. Not even once.
He never sued the UCI for negligence. In fact, he never even castigated them for failing to find beta-CHG, a finding that would have greatly helped prevent his cancer from developing to the near fatal stage that it did.
This repeated failure to detect beta-CHG makes no sense whatsoever unless Lance was doping.
I learned this factoid from Walsh's most recent book. I went on the internet and confirmed that beta-CHG is, in fact, routinely tested to determine whether a man has testicular cancer.
This is the evidence that has changed my mind about Lance. It's just not possible that several of these tests would all have failed to catch beta-CHG, unless he was somehow diluting or cleansing his blood before the dope tests.
This guy has fooled most of the world, and got rich by cheating.
Several professional athletes have tested positive for Beta-CHG, professed their innocence, and later were proven to have been innocent because they were diagnosed with testicular cancer. The testing may have saved their lives because of the early detection of the cancer.
Lance was tested by the UCI several times during the period in which he had testicular cancer. He did not test positive for beta-CHG. Not even once.
He never sued the UCI for negligence. In fact, he never even castigated them for failing to find beta-CHG, a finding that would have greatly helped prevent his cancer from developing to the near fatal stage that it did.
This repeated failure to detect beta-CHG makes no sense whatsoever unless Lance was doping.
I learned this factoid from Walsh's most recent book. I went on the internet and confirmed that beta-CHG is, in fact, routinely tested to determine whether a man has testicular cancer.
This is the evidence that has changed my mind about Lance. It's just not possible that several of these tests would all have failed to catch beta-CHG, unless he was somehow diluting or cleansing his blood before the dope tests.
This guy has fooled most of the world, and got rich by cheating.
Do you actually read this crap before you post it? 
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Beta-CHG is a hormone that is produced naturally by the body when the body has testicular cancer. It also happens to be a banned substance and one tested by the various sport organizations, including the UCI.
Several professional athletes have tested positive for Beta-CHG, professed their innocence, and later were proven to have been innocent because they were diagnosed with testicular cancer. The testing may have saved their lives because of the early detection of the cancer.
Lance was tested by the UCI several times during the period in which he had testicular cancer. He did not test positive for beta-CHG. Not even once.
He never sued the UCI for negligence. In fact, he never even castigated them for failing to find beta-CHG, a finding that would have greatly helped prevent his cancer from developing to the near fatal stage that it did.
This repeated failure to detect beta-CHG makes no sense whatsoever unless Lance was doping.
I learned this factoid from Walsh's most recent book. I went on the internet and confirmed that beta-CHG is, in fact, routinely tested to determine whether a man has testicular cancer.
This is the evidence that has changed my mind about Lance. It's just not possible that several of these tests would all have failed to catch beta-CHG, unless he was somehow diluting or cleansing his blood before the dope tests.
This guy has fooled most of the world, and got rich by cheating.
Several professional athletes have tested positive for Beta-CHG, professed their innocence, and later were proven to have been innocent because they were diagnosed with testicular cancer. The testing may have saved their lives because of the early detection of the cancer.
Lance was tested by the UCI several times during the period in which he had testicular cancer. He did not test positive for beta-CHG. Not even once.
He never sued the UCI for negligence. In fact, he never even castigated them for failing to find beta-CHG, a finding that would have greatly helped prevent his cancer from developing to the near fatal stage that it did.
This repeated failure to detect beta-CHG makes no sense whatsoever unless Lance was doping.
I learned this factoid from Walsh's most recent book. I went on the internet and confirmed that beta-CHG is, in fact, routinely tested to determine whether a man has testicular cancer.
This is the evidence that has changed my mind about Lance. It's just not possible that several of these tests would all have failed to catch beta-CHG, unless he was somehow diluting or cleansing his blood before the dope tests.
This guy has fooled most of the world, and got rich by cheating.
Normal healthy men don't have any beta-HCG in their bodies. Pregnant women do, and last I checked they're not particularly performance-enhanced.
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07-27-07, 04:25 PM
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I'm not one of the Lance defenders, and am usually game to any story that rips into him, but that just sounds like a bunch of crap.
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Do you mean beta-HCG? That's a marker for a certain subtype of cancer (choriocarcinoma) and has no performance enhancing benefit at those levels. Just because it's negative doesn't mean you don't have testicular cancer.
Normal healthy men don't have any beta-HCG in their bodies.
Normal healthy men don't have any beta-HCG in their bodies.
IIRC isn't beta-hcg what's tested for in pregnancies?
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Do you mean beta-HCG? That's a marker for a certain subtype of cancer (choriocarcinoma) and has no performance enhancing benefit at those levels. Just because it's negative doesn't mean you don't have testicular cancer.
Normal healthy men don't have any beta-HCG in their bodies.
Normal healthy men don't have any beta-HCG in their bodies.
07-27-07, 04:31 PM
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Well, that would be false too. Beta-HCG does not necessarily have to be present at all in testicular cancer.
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And yes, beta-HCG is present in pregnancy too.
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Armstrong was at 52000, 92380, and 109000 according to him(google'd for it). Won't show up in a typical urine drug test though would it? Or would it? Blood test it would.
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really who cares if he had any thing in his blood its over and done with, besides i would like to see u go through chemotherapy and go ride and finish a tour
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