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Phil spec'ed bearings in Nashbar hub?

Old 06-30-05, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tlupfer
Last I heard they were just out of stock on the 6000 bearings. You could email brent at philwood and check to see if they have any in stock.
An email is a good idea. On the other hand, I downloaded the PDF version of the catagol and they're not listed there either, which suggests that they're not carrying them anymore. They didn't actually fit any PW hubs, if I remember right (which I might not).
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Old 01-23-07, 12:22 PM
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Hate to bring back an old thread, but I discovered today that Phil Wood does offer the 6000 bearing used in Nashbar hubs:
http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=BB1053

On a related note, you can also get ceramic hybrid bearings for these hubs, for true greased-lightning goodness:
http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=BB3600
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Old 01-23-07, 12:33 PM
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good to know. thanks keevohn.
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Old 01-23-07, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 12XU
Anyone have quick links to good bearing sources?
Both of these companies make bearings that are of high enough quality for Moi Seiki Machine CNC machine tools. These are machines that produce parts for such automotive comanies like Honda, Denso, and Toyota.

NTN makes quality bearings.

NSK

Mori Seiki
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Old 01-23-07, 01:19 PM
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VBX is a bearing company based in SoCal that does bulk 6000 and 6001 series cart brearings for hubs, also 6903 bearings for Phil and similar cartridge bearings. I think there is a direct site but he does a big Ebay business too.
If bought in bulk the bearings are about a buck a piece.

I prefer Enduro bearings in the BB because they ditch the retainer and toss an extra BB in there. Plus the lube they use is the tits.
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Old 01-23-07, 02:08 PM
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where is VBX in the quality spectrum? found a bunch on ebay, looks like a great deal. too good in fact.
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Old 01-23-07, 02:50 PM
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This thread is great. I just found out that after 7000km, my Nashbar hub's bearings are shot.
I'll be trying to find some good 6000RS bearings locally.

I don't know how one would compare the quality of each brand with out lab equipment, but heres a part # reference guide:

http://www.nationalprecision.com/bb6.htm
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Old 01-23-07, 02:54 PM
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Note that Phil doesn't make their own bearings, they just spec them. Not sure what their spec is. But anyway, no point in paying their markup, just figure out what part you need and go buy good stuff.

Also, somewhere above in this rather old thread was a mention of a formula overhaul how-to thread, anybody know where to find that.
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Old 01-23-07, 03:23 PM
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IRO Hub Maintenance thread:
http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...ub+maintenance

anyone know the dif between 6000, 6000ZZ, 6000-2RS, ect. all the ones i've seen seem to have the same dimentions. maybe the matterials are different.
what would be the best quality matterial then?

great thread btw!
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Old 01-23-07, 03:53 PM
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IIRC (from working@an auto race shop), number designations are indications of the RPMs they were designed for (i.e. witstanding 14,000 RPM compared to 30,000 rpm). They have nothing to do with the outer physical dimension, nor do they have anything to do with how the bearing holds load (cylindrical cartridge bearings are designed to take only radial loads).

Whether one is better than the other for a bike is up for debate. Ceramic bearings, which generally have humongous RPM ratings relative to their stainless counterparts, are supposedly the bees knees for racing (I've had them in a pair of ZIPPS). One might infer that this means that steel bearings with high RPM ratings may be smoother than other with lower RPM ratings, but what about durability?

Frankly, I can't tell the difference between a set of Phil spec, Formula OEM bearings, and VBX cheapies in my hubs. I have had slightly longer lifespans with Enduro bearings, but I think that has more to do with the excellent super-web grease that they put in more than the construction of the bearing itself.
I haven't tried ceramic bearings in my fixie wheels because I don't want to spend 25 bucks per bearing, and don't mind changing my cheapies out every few thousand miles (once, perhaps twice a year max).

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Old 01-23-07, 03:57 PM
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The 6000 is the size, the letters at the end denote the types of seals, among other information -- it's an ISO naming convention.

Z = single pressed steel shield
ZZ = dual pressed steel shields
RS = single contact seal
2RS = dual contact seals
N = retaining ring groove around the edge of the bearing internally
NR = retaining ring groove around the edge of the bearing internally, with retaining ring

So, for our purposes, 60002RS bearings would be optimal, performance wise. Some bearing manufacturers don't follow the ISO naming standard (NTN and NSK among others) but you can find high-performance parts from folks like ***, SKF, Steyr, and Koyo without problem.

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Old 01-23-07, 03:59 PM
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ooh yea, I forgot about that. NSK has the part number variations for RPM rating.
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Old 01-23-07, 04:04 PM
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As a side note, Zipp hubs use ZZ (dual shielded) bearings to eliminate seal drag. Phils, you'll notice, are pretty stiff to turn when not installed on a wheel. That can be attributed to seal drag. In theory, you could run a 6000ZZ bearing and potentially get some energy savings over a 2RS (at the expense of most likely having to replace the bearings more frequently due to contamination) but I expect most people will prefer the sealing to the decreased friction.
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i ****ing love you guys! thanks for taking the time to make such informed replies.
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Old 01-23-07, 09:43 PM
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Ceramics....hmmmmm......this could keep me occupied.
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Old 01-23-07, 11:15 PM
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Glad we have some ISO gurus in here. Thanks Sashae and ATN!
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http://www.thebikebench.com/cat_bearing.asp?CatID=2
http://www.abiindustries.com/
http://www.bocabearings.com/main1.aspx?p=docs&id=7

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Old 01-26-07, 12:09 PM
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WOOOO!
My girl picked me up some Nachi 6000-2NSE's yesterday from the local bearing supply.
<3

I can't wait to get these in.
It feels like I'm running a dragging brake on the back wheel right now.
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Old 01-26-07, 12:57 PM
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rad, let us know how it works out.
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Old 01-29-07, 12:38 PM
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bearing gurus... would these be a good option?

http://cgi.ebay.com/6000-2RS-STAINLE...QQcmdZViewItem
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Old 01-29-07, 02:48 PM
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If you are in the UK then yea, probably sinc shipping is going to be an issue.

Really, the difference between a so-so bearing and the best of the best stainless/phil/007 bearing isn't that huge. You're going to have to try hard to find a crappy cartridge bearing with dual lip seals.
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Originally Posted by 2speedfiend
Formula and Novatec are NOT the same company.

Formula Engineering Inc.
www.formulahubs.com

Novatec - also known as JoyTech.
www.joy-tech.com.tw
Because they have different websites? This isn't a very convincing argument. Not that I'm saying they have to be the same company now, just more saying we don't know from what's been presented.
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