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Hercules 3 speed 195x
I just picked up my dad's old bike today. It's a Hercules 3 speed from the 1950's. Anyone have one? Anything special to know about them? Any good info sources on them?
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Got pictures? I have a 50's Hercules Skyliner... single speed freewheel rod brakes.
Depending on how early in the 50's it could be a Birmingham Herc or a Raleigh built Herc.
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Depending on how early in the 50's it could be a Birmingham Herc or a Raleigh built Herc.
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I have around 7-8 Birmingham Hercules ranging from 1946 to 1960 and several Raleigh built Hercules. I like the Birmingham Hercules better than the Raleigh built ones as Raleigh made them a lower-priced product after the purchase and it shows in the overall quality of the bikes. Below are a couple of the numerous Hercules I have.
Hercules Kestrel - First Ride - C&O Canal Towpath - 10 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
1956 Hercules Royal Prince - The Evolution - 5 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
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I'm taking it to my LBS tomorrow to get checked out. When I get it back home I'll take a photo or two. It is somewhat similar in style to the second photo although not nearly as nice. My dad's widow told me today he redid the tires and tubes and maybe the brakes about 5-6 years ago. The cables are all original. It's red and white and that's the original paint as far as I know. My first memory of the bike is 1960-1961 so it's that old or a little older. Thanks for the input so far.
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I'm taking it to my LBS tomorrow to get checked out. When I get it back home I'll take a photo or two. It is somewhat similar in style to the second photo although not nearly as nice. My dad's widow told me today he redid the tires and tubes and maybe the brakes about 5-6 years ago. The cables are all original. It's red and white and that's the original paint as far as I know. My first memory of the bike is 1960-1961 so it's that old or a little older. Thanks for the input so far.
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Me too. Aaron have you ever taken any pictures of the Skyliner?
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Here's a photo as I dropped it off at the LBS to have it gone through. They said it originally would have had gumwall tires so they're going to put a set of those on it to make it look more original.
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1) a picture of the headbadge,
2) a picture of the seattube graphics,
3) closeup pictures of the rear dropouts,
4) a picture of the headtube lugs and
5) let us know or take a picture of the stamping on the hub. If the hub is not a Sturmey Archer, it should be a Hercules B Type x where x is a digit.
I'm definitely intrigued with this bike.
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You've got a 50's Birmingham Hercules there, a nice little 3 speed. It predates gumwalls so if you want originality, see if they have some blackwalls instead. I think it looks better but it's your bike.
A little suggestion for you. You're on a list of bike nuts who collectively have probably forgot more about old bikes than most LBS's will ever know. So when the next bike comes along, post some detailed pics before you drop it off at the shop. Or just grab a (proper) wrench and start taking it apart for a light cleaning, maybe an adjustment or two. Collecting, fixing and restoring bikes like this is fun and rewarding. If your LBS is like most other shops, the bike will still require a closer look-see and possible overhaul.
(what PG said too)
A little suggestion for you. You're on a list of bike nuts who collectively have probably forgot more about old bikes than most LBS's will ever know. So when the next bike comes along, post some detailed pics before you drop it off at the shop. Or just grab a (proper) wrench and start taking it apart for a light cleaning, maybe an adjustment or two. Collecting, fixing and restoring bikes like this is fun and rewarding. If your LBS is like most other shops, the bike will still require a closer look-see and possible overhaul.
(what PG said too)
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Not really, it is getting closer to front of the line...
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The bike looks to be in pretty good condition and, at least from what I can see of the dropouts is a mid- to late-50's bike. It's definitely a made in Birmingham model. What's more intriguing to me are the "cutaway" lugs instead of the oval windowed lugs that were used on them at that time. Can you please provide:
1) a picture of the headbadge,
2) a picture of the seattube graphics,
3) closeup pictures of the rear dropouts,
4) a picture of the headtube lugs and
5) let us know or take a picture of the stamping on the hub. If the hub is not a Sturmey Archer, it should be a Hercules B Type x where x is a digit.
I'm definitely intrigued with this bike.
1) a picture of the headbadge,
2) a picture of the seattube graphics,
3) closeup pictures of the rear dropouts,
4) a picture of the headtube lugs and
5) let us know or take a picture of the stamping on the hub. If the hub is not a Sturmey Archer, it should be a Hercules B Type x where x is a digit.
I'm definitely intrigued with this bike.
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Regarding the tires, black probably are correct for this bike. The red Hercules Lion is from 1951 and have what appear to be the original Dunlop tires still on the bike. Certainly the tires are not any newer than the early- to mid-1960's which is when they ceased production of bicycle tires.
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Here is a Hercules 3 speed from the mid to late 50's that a neighbor put out on the curb to give away. I took and restored it. The headbadge says "Birmingham." Strangely, there is no date on the rear hub or anywhere else on the bike. However, I determined that the bike was made between 1956 and 1960. I looked at a website that indicated that the model of Sturmey Archer shifter on the handlebar was made after 1956 and I knew all Hercules were made in Nottingham after 1960.
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Here is a Hercules 3 speed from the mid to late 50's that a neighbor put out on the curb to give away. I took and restored it. The headbadge says "Birmingham." Strangely, there is no date on the rear hub or anywhere else on the bike. However, I determined that the bike was made between 1956 and 1960. I looked at a website that indicated that the model of Sturmey Archer shifter on the handlebar was made after 1956 and I knew all Hercules were made in Nottingham after 1960.
I've seen a couple of Hercules with shifters that have been replaced by Sh*m*n* versions. I haven't seen one of those conversions that worked. A Sturmey shifter ought to work just fine, though.
Incidentally, there are two in the Dayton OH craigslist for $30 each. I *think* the woman's is mid 50's and the gent's is maybe 1960?
I thought pretty hard about them, but have enough stuff at the moment.
The position of the eyelets on the rear dropouts is a pretty reliable clue for Birmingham vs Nottingham Hercules, IMO. The gent's version I referenced above still has the "H" cutout chainring, but the eyelet position appears to be Raleigh Nottingham. The position in your picture is above and forward of the rear axle (rather than behind the rear axle), which is pre-Raleigh.
I may have some facts wrong here, and welcome any corrections.
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Here is a Hercules 3 speed from the mid to late 50's that a neighbor put out on the curb to give away. I took and restored it. The headbadge says "Birmingham." Strangely, there is no date on the rear hub or anywhere else on the bike. However, I determined that the bike was made between 1956 and 1960. I looked at a website that indicated that the model of Sturmey Archer shifter on the handlebar was made after 1956 and I knew all Hercules were made in Nottingham after 1960.
Do you have additional pictures that show better details of the bicycle? If you do, that would be nice to see.
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I'd be hesitant to base everything on the shifter. Is it possible the hub says something like "Hercules 3 Speed" or "B 6"?
I've seen a couple of Hercules with shifters that have been replaced by Sh*m*n* versions. I haven't seen one of those conversions that worked. A Sturmey shifter ought to work just fine, though.
Incidentally, there are two in the Dayton OH craigslist for $30 each. I *think* the woman's is mid 50's and the gent's is maybe 1960?
I thought pretty hard about them, but have enough stuff at the moment.
The position of the eyelets on the rear dropouts is a pretty reliable clue for Birmingham vs Nottingham Hercules, IMO. The gent's version I referenced above still has the "H" cutout chainring, but the eyelet position appears to be Raleigh Nottingham. The position in your picture is above and forward of the rear axle (rather than behind the rear axle), which is pre-Raleigh.
I may have some facts wrong here, and welcome any corrections.
I've seen a couple of Hercules with shifters that have been replaced by Sh*m*n* versions. I haven't seen one of those conversions that worked. A Sturmey shifter ought to work just fine, though.
Incidentally, there are two in the Dayton OH craigslist for $30 each. I *think* the woman's is mid 50's and the gent's is maybe 1960?
I thought pretty hard about them, but have enough stuff at the moment.
The position of the eyelets on the rear dropouts is a pretty reliable clue for Birmingham vs Nottingham Hercules, IMO. The gent's version I referenced above still has the "H" cutout chainring, but the eyelet position appears to be Raleigh Nottingham. The position in your picture is above and forward of the rear axle (rather than behind the rear axle), which is pre-Raleigh.
I may have some facts wrong here, and welcome any corrections.
[EDIT: The correct dates for the A Type hub are 1942 to 1951 and the B Type hub starting in 1952. Dating the B Type start for production to 1952 instead of 1953 is based on an early 1952 CTC Gazette that mentions the B Type hub.]
Your mention of the dropouts is correct regarding telling the difference between Birmingham and Nottingham built bicycles. There is also a difference between Hercules dropouts too. Through the early-1950's there was a "keyhole" on the dropout above the axle, but in the mid-1950's the design changed and they eliminated the "keyhole" from the dropout. If you reference the pictures below, you can see the difference between the dropouts which will assist in determining the age of Hercules bicycles.
Up to early 1950's dropout. This style dropout is what is on Hercules in my collection ranging from 1946-1952. As mentioned above, I do not have a 1953 or 1954 Hercules to reference.
Hercules Lion - 36 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Mid-1950's and later dropout which was used until Hercules production was merged with Raleigh. The first year I have seen this dropout is 1955, but it could have been a little earlier since, as mentioned above, I don't have a 1953 or 1954 Hercules.
1959 Hercules Hawthorne Project - 40 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
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That looks like a nice Hercules, for sure. I'm pretty sure you have a mid- to late-1950's model. They didn't use the vertical Hercules on the seattube until around 1955 based on the bicycles in my collection. I have Hercules up to 1952 and then nothing until 1955.
Do you have additional pictures that show better details of the bicycle? If you do, that would be nice to see.
Do you have additional pictures that show better details of the bicycle? If you do, that would be nice to see.
These are all the pics I have. They don't show more detail. I sold the bike probably a year and a half ago.
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Here's a few more photos. The downtube is bad because my dad mounted a footrest there and a seat on the top tube for me when I was really small.
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The paint on that bicycle is in excellent condition for its age. I only wish the paint on my Hercules Lion was as nice as on yours.
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That cleaned up nicely! The paint and chrome on these 1950s British bikes is enduring stuff.
The area where the decal and paint are worn away seems to be painted black! Is there usually a black coat of finish paint under the topcoat? Were all frames painted black in that era, then overpainted as needed?
The area where the decal and paint are worn away seems to be painted black! Is there usually a black coat of finish paint under the topcoat? Were all frames painted black in that era, then overpainted as needed?
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I'm afraid my eyesight isn't good enough to make out what's on the hub. I hadn't thought about it but maybe if I turn the bike upside down it will be a better angle where I can read it. I was born in 57 and suspect the bike is just about that vintage also or maybe a year or two newer.
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That cleaned up nicely! The paint and chrome on these 1950s British bikes is enduring stuff.
The area where the decal and paint are worn away seems to be painted black! Is there usually a black coat of finish paint under the topcoat? Were all frames painted black in that era, then overpainted as needed?
The area where the decal and paint are worn away seems to be painted black! Is there usually a black coat of finish paint under the topcoat? Were all frames painted black in that era, then overpainted as needed?