Dishing/Centering tool
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Dishing/Centering tool
I won't be building enough wheels to need a formal dishing tool.
Flipping the wheel in the truing stand, and the rudimentary method below, works for now.
Flipping the wheel in the truing stand, and the rudimentary method below, works for now.
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Flipping the wheel works so well for me that I've never bothered with a dishing tool. I've built/rebuilt 7 sets of wheels so far this year alone and use the flip method. Wheels have been everything from tandem wheels with basic shimano hubs and rhino lite rims to King and White Industries hubs and 140.00 rims. I worked in a shop for several years building dozens of wheels each year and a light touch with a truing stand really does work. Key is to loosen the wheel lightly drop it back into the stand and only slightly snug it, loosen, pull out the wheel without touching and again lightly drop in and only slightly snug. Movement too or from the feelers is the measure as I'm sure you know but it can get incredibly accurate with a very light touch and if you happen to be off by less then .5mm no one will ever be able to tell or know. I've seen factory builds off my 4-5mm that people had no clue of when doing tune ups and riding for years. Its an appalling amount to be off by but the flipping method can get you as close as any dishing tool.
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Dishing tools are cheap enough, easy to make, and a time saver. I'm a firm believer in having the tools to make a job faster and easier.
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Two things are equally true: You don't need to have fancy tools to build a good wheel. Good tools make building a good wheel faster and easier.
Back in my LBS days I built a few hundred wheelsets. After getting married and having kids, I didn't make or have time for riding. When they got older I started having time to get back into cycling. Before I bought a truing stand I had a set of wheels to build, so I improvised.
10 cent truing stand
Back in my LBS days I built a few hundred wheelsets. After getting married and having kids, I didn't make or have time for riding. When they got older I started having time to get back into cycling. Before I bought a truing stand I had a set of wheels to build, so I improvised.
10 cent truing stand
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I've been thinking of buying a wheel dishing tool for some years now...... but cheapey cheapskate me just could not get myself to spend for even the cheapest I've found! So, I've been flipping wheels since I built my first one. Personally, I don't really see the sense in ever getting one at this point....
Fry cooks can flip burgers while C&V wheel builders can flip wheels....
Fry cooks can flip burgers while C&V wheel builders can flip wheels....
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I made a dishing tool in about half an hour from a piece of scrap wood and a 3 inch bolt.
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https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Por.../dp/B079YW26GQ
For $35 for the park tool it is hard to argue with having the proper tool. There may be other ones available. As @gugie mentioned you can do a lot without buying the tool but they make doing things easier. I see there are also some copycat tension meters on Amazon these days for dirt cheap. Not sure about accuracy but makes things easier.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B088Q...TF8&psc=1&th=1
For $35 for the park tool it is hard to argue with having the proper tool. There may be other ones available. As @gugie mentioned you can do a lot without buying the tool but they make doing things easier. I see there are also some copycat tension meters on Amazon these days for dirt cheap. Not sure about accuracy but makes things easier.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B088Q...TF8&psc=1&th=1
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https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Por.../dp/B079YW26GQ
For $35 for the park tool it is hard to argue with having the proper tool. There may be other ones available. As @gugie mentioned you can do a lot without buying the tool but they make doing things easier. I see there are also some copycat tension meters on Amazon these days for dirt cheap. Not sure about accuracy but makes things easier.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B088Q...TF8&psc=1&th=1
For $35 for the park tool it is hard to argue with having the proper tool. There may be other ones available. As @gugie mentioned you can do a lot without buying the tool but they make doing things easier. I see there are also some copycat tension meters on Amazon these days for dirt cheap. Not sure about accuracy but makes things easier.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B088Q...TF8&psc=1&th=1
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I've always found flipping a wheel in the stand to be pretty useless for determining dish. This goes for both shop grade Park stands, and any kind of home economy stand. They are too wiggly. At most you get a rough notion of dish. Using the bike itself and zip ties or the like works better.
An actual tool is nice to have, but if you're not working in a shop, you can work around it. In my LBS days, I most often used the campy dishing tool. VAR made a nice tool. These days I have the cheap Minoura tool. Good enough for me and my own bikes. A DIY dishing tool would be pretty easy to fabricate if you build a lot of wheels.
An actual tool is nice to have, but if you're not working in a shop, you can work around it. In my LBS days, I most often used the campy dishing tool. VAR made a nice tool. These days I have the cheap Minoura tool. Good enough for me and my own bikes. A DIY dishing tool would be pretty easy to fabricate if you build a lot of wheels.
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$0 - Crap on hand -- 2 pieces of scrap wood, an old socket, a nut, a piece of threaded rod, a drawer pull and a tent pole section from a defunct tent.
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The Joe was a great venue, and I saw many Wings games there as well as a kick-ass Kid Rock concert.
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I use a TS 2.2 with this. I can hold and adjust it one handed while flipping the wheel with the other hand. The saw blade bites into the Luann to hold its position.
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