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Old 06-23-17, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MRT2
9 speed cassettes are pretty cheap as well. The difference between 8 and 9 speed is small. Certainly nothing like the price of, say, 11 speed.
True enough. I get most of my cassettes used anyway, well, mildly used. I do see some older 7900 10-speed cassettes for sale around here asking for $250 each. Yeah, good luck with that.
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Originally Posted by hokiefyd
The DS 3 will certainly give you a lower climbing gear. The small chainring on the DS 3 is a 26 and the largest cog on the cassette is a 34. There are about a million and one ways to express "gear ratio" on a bike, but a very basic one is to divide the cassette by the chainring -- or 34/26. In this case, that number is 1.31.

The DS 2's smallest chainring is a 28, and the largest cog on the cassette is a 32. The lowest "gear ratio" on the DS 2 is 1.14. As with cars and trucks, a higher number means a "shorter" gear ratio, or one that multiplies the input torque the most. Pedaling is easiest and the speed is slowest. The DS 3 offers you a 15% easier climbing gear.

(We can directly compare the two bikes because they use the same tire diameter. If you're trying to compare effective gear ratios on bikes with different tire diameters, there are formulas that account for that.)

This is a good point -- I overlooked the difference in the chainrings. If you live where there are hills, the DS 3 would be an easier bike with which to climb.
Thie low gears on either bike should be fine for even the steepest hills. Just for comparison's sake, I ran the numbers through a gear inch calculator. Riding in the lowest gear on the DS 3 at 90 rpm, OP would be traveling at 5.6 mph. 5 mph at 80 rpm. On the DS 2, same rpm, OP would be going 6.2 mph. 5.5 mph at 80 rpm. Drop the rpm down to 70 and the difference is 4.4 mph vs 4.8, which is close to the a speed at which most people can't stay upright on a bike.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006
True enough. I get most of my cassettes used anyway, well, mildly used. I do see some older 7900 10-speed cassettes for sale around here asking for $250 each. Yeah, good luck with that.
I use 9 speed and have no trouble getting new chains and cassettes for cheap. Going forward, I am more optimistic for the future of 9 speed than I am of 8 or 10 speed, at least for another 5 to 10 years.
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Which is why I'm stockpiling 10-speed cassettes...well, if you can call having 5 or 6 stockpiling.
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Which is why I'm stockpiling 10-speed cassettes...well, if you can call having 5 or 6 stockpiling.
It is. While I believe in being prepared, there is a point of diminishing returns. Stockpiling parts for more than 5 years out is, IMO dimishing returns.
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It is. While I believe in being prepared, there is a point of diminishing returns. Stockpiling parts for more than 5 years out is, IMO dimishing returns.
A few came with wheelsets I bought. A couple had 11T cog, which I didn't like, so I ended up picking up a couple more with a 12T which I currently use on my two 10-sp bikes.

I don't have an 11-sp bike currently, but I expect that I will sooner or later, perhaps when 12-speed comes out.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006
A few came with wheelsets I bought. A couple had 11T cog, which I didn't like, so I ended up picking up a couple more with a 12T which I currently use on my two 10-sp bikes.

I don't have an 11-sp bike currently, but I expect that I will sooner or later, perhaps when 12-speed comes out.
I figure it is only a meter of time. And when that happens, Claris will bump up to 9 speed, Sora will be 10 Speed, and Tiagra will go to 11 speed.

On the mountain side of things, I figure Tourney will go to 8 speed, Altus to 9, Acera and Alivio to 10, and Deore will go to 11 speed.
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Update

Originally Posted by hokiefyd
The DS 3 will certainly give you a lower climbing gear. The small chainring on the DS 3 is a 26 and the largest cog on the cassette is a 34. There are about a million and one ways to express "gear ratio" on a bike, but a very basic one is to divide the cassette by the chainring -- or 34/26. In this case, that number is 1.31.

The DS 2's smallest chainring is a 28, and the largest cog on the cassette is a 32. The lowest "gear ratio" on the DS 2 is 1.14. As with cars and trucks, a higher number means a "shorter" gear ratio, or one that multiplies the input torque the most. Pedaling is easiest and the speed is slowest. The DS 3 offers you a 15% easier climbing gear.

(We can directly compare the two bikes because they use the same tire diameter. If you're trying to compare effective gear ratios on bikes with different tire diameters, there are formulas that account for that.)

This is a good point -- I overlooked the difference in the chainrings. If you live where there are hills, the DS 3 would be an easier bike with which to climb.
I'm new to this forum, but would you mind updating your thoughts above but make the comparison between the 2020 DS3 and 2020 DS4? I want the better climbing bike as I'm in western pa with hills! Thank you.
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You might want to Double check DS 3 for 2020 has 2 chain rings not 3 . The gearing is slightly different from 2019
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