Cyclist Rear Ended at 55mph
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Lots of people here have made the decision not to ride on roads anymore for the very reason that they can't trust motorists. That's about the only thing you can do to guarantee your safety as far as cars are concerned. I am not avoiding all roads, but have changed my riding habits to minimize contact with cars. For example, I would not have been chosen to ride that road in OP. And if I had to I would have ridden right of the fog line. Traffic going 55 mph and me going 20 mph is too great a difference in speed for me to be comfortable.
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In this case the solution, as in most likely prevention of the collision suffered by the bicyclist, was to ride on the available wide shoulder of the road. The rider chose to ignore that solution for whatever reason, perhaps he was like some BF posters dreaming about Elon Musk brand "solutions" or his video camera to protect him from harm.
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Someone who so LOVES to ride a bike that they ride that road doesn’t deserve to get second guessed by randoms on the Internut.
There is ZERO evidence that they had no clue. They chose one of the awful choices on how to get from A to B. We often are forced to make these choices.
The fact that YOU would choose differently is irrelevant.
Bottom line. It’s about the blatantly obvious failure of the DRIVER not the choices made by the RIDER.
Now back to our regularly scheduled parade of people with cat-like reflexes. And blinky lights. Many many blinky lights.
-mr. bill
Last edited by mr_bill; 09-09-19 at 02:58 PM.
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First Stop dreaming that future technological advances, advertising and promotional brochures and AV promoters' safety hype that may or may not ever be fielded will protect bicyclists who seem to ignore their own safety, from collisions while riding in a traffic lane on a high speed road.
In this case the solution, as in most likely prevention of the collision suffered by the bicyclist, was to ride on the available wide shoulder of the road. The rider chose to ignore that solution for whatever reason, perhaps he was like some BF posters dreaming about Elon Musk brand "solutions" or his video camera to protect him from harm.
In this case the solution, as in most likely prevention of the collision suffered by the bicyclist, was to ride on the available wide shoulder of the road. The rider chose to ignore that solution for whatever reason, perhaps he was like some BF posters dreaming about Elon Musk brand "solutions" or his video camera to protect him from harm.
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p.s. Had he been riding in the left tire track, all would be well.
And that’s the fundamental issue with the usual gang proclaiming that THEY wouldn’t get hit because.
-mr. bill
And that’s the fundamental issue with the usual gang proclaiming that THEY wouldn’t get hit because.
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FULL STOP.
Someone who so LOVES to ride a bike that they ride that road doesn’t deserve to get second guessed by randoms on the Internut.
There is ZERO evidence that they had no clue. They chose one of the awful choices on how to get from A to B. We often are forced to make these choices.
The fact that YOU would choose differently is irrelevant.
Bottom line. It’s about the blatantly obvious failure of the DRIVER not the choices made by the RIDER.
Now back to our regularly scheduled parade of people with cat-like reflexes. And blinky lights. Many many blinky lights.
-mr. bill
Someone who so LOVES to ride a bike that they ride that road doesn’t deserve to get second guessed by randoms on the Internut.
There is ZERO evidence that they had no clue. They chose one of the awful choices on how to get from A to B. We often are forced to make these choices.
The fact that YOU would choose differently is irrelevant.
Bottom line. It’s about the blatantly obvious failure of the DRIVER not the choices made by the RIDER.
Now back to our regularly scheduled parade of people with cat-like reflexes. And blinky lights. Many many blinky lights.
-mr. bill
Of course it's the driver's fault but that doesn't mean the rider couldn't have taken some actions to prevent getting hit.
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That’s why I always take the lane.
That’s why I never take the lane.
That’s why I always ride on shoulders.
That’s why I never ride on shoulders.
That’s why I always ride on MUPs.
That’s why I never ride on MUPS.
And my favorite, I would never ride that road, but if I did, that’s why....
That’s why, that’s why, that’s why.
What have we “learned?”
-mr. bill
That’s why I never take the lane.
That’s why I always ride on shoulders.
That’s why I never ride on shoulders.
That’s why I always ride on MUPs.
That’s why I never ride on MUPS.
And my favorite, I would never ride that road, but if I did, that’s why....
That’s why, that’s why, that’s why.
What have we “learned?”
-mr. bill
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p.s. He rides in Central Park now. He still lives in Arizona.
“Critiquing” real people is what these forums are “for?”
-mr. bill
“Critiquing” real people is what these forums are “for?”
-mr. bill
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We learn nothing, we already know.
That's why I don't ride on roads. The Advocacy of safety forum.
Read every thread. It's pointless me doing it. Topic after topic after topic... Every problem. Because.. riding on roads.
That's why I don't ride on roads. It's bliss.
That's why I don't ride on roads. The Advocacy of safety forum.
Read every thread. It's pointless me doing it. Topic after topic after topic... Every problem. Because.. riding on roads.
That's why I don't ride on roads. It's bliss.
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Did anyone else notice that as the car was approaching the cyclist it was moving from lane center to the right, and after the impact the car appeared to be driving on the right side of the white line.
Since the car was moving from lane center to the right and was over the white line at impact, even if the cyclist was on the shoulder it is still possible the cyclist would have been hit.
Since the car was moving from lane center to the right and was over the white line at impact, even if the cyclist was on the shoulder it is still possible the cyclist would have been hit.
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As far as the problem being in the driver's eyes goes, I'm glad that over thirty years ago when I went house shopping, I knew I wanted something on the East side of the city. No morning or evening sun in my eyes during my commutes.
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We learn nothing, we already know.
That's why I don't ride on roads. The Advocacy of safety forum.
Read every thread. It's pointless me doing it. Topic after topic after topic... Every problem. Because.. riding on roads.
That's why I don't ride on roads. It's bliss.
That's why I don't ride on roads. The Advocacy of safety forum.
Read every thread. It's pointless me doing it. Topic after topic after topic... Every problem. Because.. riding on roads.
That's why I don't ride on roads. It's bliss.
That's why these types of websites are called discussion forums. We discuss things. Don't expect anybody to resolve problems here that lawmakers couldn't for the past 100 years.
There may be good ideas here and there for people with specific concerns to try out, but as you can see, for every concern there may be a hundred different variations of solutions.
There may be good ideas here and there for people with specific concerns to try out, but as you can see, for every concern there may be a hundred different variations of solutions.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(from a now-closed thread) I think I have absorbed all the good advice I can for a complete and agreeable cycling lifestyle, and recently I have clicked on many fewer threads than before. In the past I have offered IMO several useful suggestions about cycling, particularly for winter and urban cycling, to multiple repetitive threads. They are usually lost in the morass of often scores of replies, both in agreement and dispute with mine.
I’m not especially motivated to read or write about rides in areas I will never visit, or bikes I would not buy. Other cyclists’ biking stories are often meaningful to me, but usually not consequential enough for a reply. Frankly, now my main enjoyment is reading the personal clashes on the various threads, such as these current ones: "I work with a moron", or ”How often do you check your mirror?.”
I’m not especially motivated to read or write about rides in areas I will never visit, or bikes I would not buy. Other cyclists’ biking stories are often meaningful to me, but usually not consequential enough for a reply. Frankly, now my main enjoyment is reading the personal clashes on the various threads, such as these current ones: "I work with a moron", or ”How often do you check your mirror?.”
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FULL STOP.
Someone who so LOVES to ride a bike that they ride that road doesn’t deserve to get second guessed by randoms on the Internut.
There is ZERO evidence that they had no clue. They chose one of the awful choices on how to get from A to B. We often are forced to make these choices.
The fact that YOU would choose differently is irrelevant.
Bottom line. It’s about the blatantly obvious failure of the DRIVER not the choices made by the RIDER.
Now back to our regularly scheduled parade of people with cat-like reflexes. And blinky lights. Many many blinky lights.
-mr. bill
Someone who so LOVES to ride a bike that they ride that road doesn’t deserve to get second guessed by randoms on the Internut.
There is ZERO evidence that they had no clue. They chose one of the awful choices on how to get from A to B. We often are forced to make these choices.
The fact that YOU would choose differently is irrelevant.
Bottom line. It’s about the blatantly obvious failure of the DRIVER not the choices made by the RIDER.
Now back to our regularly scheduled parade of people with cat-like reflexes. And blinky lights. Many many blinky lights.
-mr. bill
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Did anyone else notice that as the car was approaching the cyclist it was moving from lane center to the right, and after the impact the car appeared to be driving on the right side of the white line.
Since the car was moving from lane center to the right and was over the white line at impact, even if the cyclist was on the shoulder it is still possible the cyclist would have been hit.
Since the car was moving from lane center to the right and was over the white line at impact, even if the cyclist was on the shoulder it is still possible the cyclist would have been hit.
-mr. bill
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If you stop the video right at impact, the guys front tire even appears to be inside the white line. Nowhere in that video does it show the car over the white line. Or even on it.
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Getting hit.
A lady broadsided me at 30mph, claiming the sun was in her eyes and I had too much dark clothing on. The only reason she stopped was because there were so many witnesses filling their cars at the gas station on the corner and immediately came to help, bringing me paper towels to stop the bleeding, I was cut up bad. My State Farm auto policy's uninsured motorist covered my medical, because a person with the lack of driving skills that she exhibited, doesn't have any insurance. So I recommend every cyclist reading this get the uninsured motorist and make sure it covers you walking or cycling as State Farm's does. Just a helpful hint from your buddy Burt.
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Couldn’t happen to them though, since they head west in the morning and east at night. Forever?
(Best laid plans, but then jobs said nope, so I commuted to NH and my spouse headed to RI.)
-mr. bill
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Who needs to avoid whom?
So many of these comments blame the victim. This rider appeared to be doing everything right. He doesn't appear to be swerving, he has a red flasher on his bike, he's staying as far to the right as is reasonably possible. Two other vehicles passed him without incident. Nothing in this video makes me believe he is to share any of the blame. He shouldn't have to avoid being hit.
If you are overtaking anybody or anything from behind, you are responsible for avoiding a collision, especially if you are piloting 3500 pounds of steel and glass at 55mph. If there is one activity, other than some professional sports, where this is not true, I'd like to hear about it.
If you are overtaking anybody or anything from behind, you are responsible for avoiding a collision, especially if you are piloting 3500 pounds of steel and glass at 55mph. If there is one activity, other than some professional sports, where this is not true, I'd like to hear about it.
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So many of these comments blame the victim. This rider appeared to be doing everything right. He doesn't appear to be swerving, he has a red flasher on his bike, he's staying as far to the right as is reasonably possible. Two other vehicles passed him without incident. Nothing in this video makes me believe he is to share any of the blame. He shouldn't have to avoid being hit.
If you are overtaking anybody or anything from behind, you are responsible for avoiding a collision, especially if you are piloting 3500 pounds of steel and glass at 55mph. If there is one activity, other than some professional sports, where this is not true, I'd like to hear about it.
If you are overtaking anybody or anything from behind, you are responsible for avoiding a collision, especially if you are piloting 3500 pounds of steel and glass at 55mph. If there is one activity, other than some professional sports, where this is not true, I'd like to hear about it.
I was struck from behind once by an intoxicated driver. I know it was 100% the driver's fault, yet I still analyze the collision and ask what I could have done differently to have a another outcome. Am I blaming myself? Of course not. I ask it to learn from it.
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Okay, I stand corrected. The cars tires are on the line. But that is after impact. Still yet its pretty irresponsible to be riding that close to the edge of the road, when he obviously had room to ride three or four feet further to the left. The point I'm trying to make is not to take blame away from the motorist, but to point out the bike rider could have clearly made a better choice in riding further off the road. People make mistakes all the time. Its each persons responsibility to remove themselves from harm because of mistakes people make. That is if they care to do so. I know if I was riding along that road I would not have been riding anywhere close to that white line, and off the road as far as possible. Our society is all about removing all blame for an injury if possible. No matter how irresponsible one is. Kind of like the people that have their fingers cut off because they stuck them under the deck of a running lawn mower. Not their fault at all. It was the mower manufactures fault for not warning them of such danger. People get killed and injured all the time for making bad choices. A lot of times there is just someone or something else to heap all the blame on. There is a thing called common sense that has escaped a lot of people anymore.
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No matter how irresponsible one is. Kind of like the people that have their fingers cut off because they stuck them under the deck of a running lawn mower. Not their fault at all. It was the mower manufactures fault for not warning them of such danger. People get killed and injured all the time for making bad choices. A lot of times there is just someone or something else to heap all the blame on. There is a thing called common sense that has escaped a lot of people anymore.
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So many of these comments blame the victim. This rider appeared to be doing everything right. He doesn't appear to be swerving, he has a red flasher on his bike, he's staying as far to the right as is reasonably possible. Two other vehicles passed him without incident. Nothing in this video makes me believe he is to share any of the blame. He shouldn't have to avoid being hit.
If you are overtaking anybody or anything from behind, you are responsible for avoiding a collision, especially if you are piloting 3500 pounds of steel and glass at 55mph. If there is one activity, other than some professional sports, where this is not true, I'd like to hear about it.
If you are overtaking anybody or anything from behind, you are responsible for avoiding a collision, especially if you are piloting 3500 pounds of steel and glass at 55mph. If there is one activity, other than some professional sports, where this is not true, I'd like to hear about it.
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trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill are you? This photo is how many feet after "The Guy" hit the bike??? Dont make things up to support your argument. Even after impact you can say he was not over the line. Again point is, why was the bike rider riding on the white line or at least very very close to it?
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Yeah, well my comment precedes his...and likening being hit by an inattentive driver to losing a finger because you stuck it under a mower is, well, pretty silly, and undermines poster's credibility.
But I will amend my previous comment by saying that no reasonable person would blame the victim.😏
But I will amend my previous comment by saying that no reasonable person would blame the victim.😏
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