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Old 04-16-17, 03:42 PM
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Bells no longer legally required in Indiana

Unbeknownst to bicyclists or the public, the IN state legislature in 2016 removed the state code requiring bells or other audible devices on bikes ridden on roads. Go figure.
Guess we should be happy they weren't made illegal.
'Bicycle Indiana recently learned that tucked away on page 269, of an omnibus bill from the 2016 session, was the deletion of the legal requirement for a bell on a bicycle.'
https://blog.bicycleindiana.org/2017...r-not-to-ring/
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I don't know what the thinking was, except maybe enforcement caused issues.

In any cases, removing a legal mandate has no impact on those who prefer to use bells, as we're always free to do things that aren't legally necessary (like wearing a helmet or reflective clothing) if we wish.

So the only people affected are those who detest bells, yet were using one out of fear of getting cited.
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Wonder if anyone has been cited for lack of warning device while cycling in Hoosierland? I've never heard of it happening.

I'll post a link to the Bike Bell Refund service as soon as it is shared with the public. ha ha
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Originally Posted by JanMM View Post
Unbeknownst to bicyclists or the public, the IN state legislature in 2016 removed the state code requiring bells or other audible devices on bikes ridden on roads. Go figure.
Guess we should be happy they weren't made illegal.
'Bicycle Indiana recently learned that tucked away on page 269, of an omnibus bill from the 2016 session, was the deletion of the legal requirement for a bell on a bicycle.'
https://blog.bicycleindiana.org/2017...r-not-to-ring/
You sound disappointed that IN cyclist now have a legal choice.

Mandatory bell, helmet and 24 hour attached light laws have been used by police to stop, interrogate and search cyclist that otherwise obey traffic laws. So even if no cyclist was ever cited, the law could be used against cyclist.
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You sound disappointed that IN cyclist now have a legal choice.

Mandatory bell, helmet and 24 hour attached light laws have been used by police to stop, interrogate and search cyclist that otherwise obey traffic laws. So even if no cyclist was ever cited, the law could be used against cyclist.
Disappointed that the legislators seem not to consider the subject worthy of a conversation with cyclists or the public. Not opposed to removal of the 'Bell Law'.
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I guess cyclist's in Indiana will 'have to ring someone else's bell', lol
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Old 04-17-17, 05:29 AM
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And to think, I've been a criminal for at least the past 30 years.




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Such laws are archaic and should be eliminated everywhere.
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Maybe they should have a no questions asked bell buyback.
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I was born and raised in IN.
(I corrected that mistake after graduating from college).
When I was in high school, they had a state trooper come in and address the drivers ed class.
He made the startling claim that not one of us would be in compliance of the traffic laws when we started driving.
Then he cited a law still on the books that every car was required to be preceded by a walking man carrying a red lantern.

Some years later there was a mass cleanup of obsolete IN laws that removed that one.

BTW I can see a purpose of a bell on the MUP, but not so much on the road.
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Originally Posted by JanMM View Post
Disappointed that the legislators seem not to consider the subject worthy of a conversation with cyclists or the public. Not opposed to removal of the 'Bell Law'.
It is very likely that cyclist are the ones that pushed the legislator to put the change in the bill. Maybe the legislator is also a cyclist. Are you sure you are not really disappointed that the legislator did not come directly to you to ask your personal position.

The best thing for cyclist was to keep the change low key and not widely debated.
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
I was born and raised in IN.
(I corrected that mistake after graduating from college).
When I was in high school, they had a state trooper come in and address the drivers ed class.
He made the startling claim that not one of us would be in compliance of the traffic laws when we started driving.
Then he cited a law still on the books that every car was required to be preceded by a walking man carrying a red lantern.

Some years later there was a mass cleanup of obsolete IN laws that removed that one.

BTW I can see a purpose of a bell on the MUP, but not so much on the road.
I am glad I was not in that state and Drivers Ed class. I likely would have obeyed the law the first few drives down heavy traffic roads to see if the cops would ticket me for driving legally.

My voice works better than a bell, and setting my brakes to squeak with very slight pressure works best.
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Bells add weight to the bike, they come loose and rattle, don't fit on all bikes, and can crush really delicate handlebars. And you could get impaled by your bell in a freak crash. A serious cyclist would never have a bell.

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Bells add weight to the bike, they come loose and rattle, don't fit on all bikes, and can crush really delicate handlebars. And you could get impaled by your bell in a freak crash. A serious cyclist would never have a bell.
Like P. Sagan in the TdF?
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Like P. Sagan in the TdF?
Yes, Sagan likes to clown around. The only surprise here is that he did not put a full on clown horn on.
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Read the fine print to see if IN also passed a law requiring people to pay for burials or cremations for their bells if they die or get rid of them.
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Bells add weight to the bike, they come loose and rattle, don't fit on all bikes, and can crush really delicate handlebars. And you could get impaled by your bell in a freak crash. A serious cyclist would never have a bell.

Besides, Who other than a person not on the road is going to hear it? Drivers certainly won't hear it above their engine, and may even think that their cell phone is ringing.
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Besides, Who other than a person not on the road is going to hear it? Drivers certainly won't hear it above their engine, and may even think that their cell phone is ringing.
Well, some do have to just ring their own bell!
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Besides, Who other than a person not on the road is going to hear it? Drivers certainly won't hear it above their engine, and may even think that their cell phone is ringing.
I guess you never ride on roads where pedestrians, and cyclists are encountered on a regular basis. Try to remember your little world isn't the entire world.
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Good for Indiana, getting rid of a pointless law! Although I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a Congressman who got harassed by a trooper and made it his mission to change it, rather than any rational or ideological decision.
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Let's see, people in cars will not hear it, people walking with ear buds will not hear it, people on a cell phone will not hear it. So the law was really useless. Ride with caution and there is no need for them. Glad it was repealed!
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Good for Indiana, getting rid of a pointless law! Although I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a Congressman who got harassed by a trooper and made it his mission to change it, rather than any rational or ideological decision.
Here was another dumb IN law: When I grew up there, all the profits from the BMV (Bureau of Motor Vehicles) offices went to the party of the current governor! Funny thing was that the party which had pushed that idiotic law through, had lost the governor seat soon afterward, so it benefited the other party! So of course it took years for them to undo it.

When the personalized license plate bill went through (at the time BMV was still a political slush fund), it included provisions to split the personalized plate fee between parties. That remained even after the BMV slush fund was undone. Here is an article from 2005 about trying to undo that:

Bill would take political parties out of license plate money - www.chronicle-tribune.com: Wabashplaindealer
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I have a bell, per the local law, but rarely use it. I call out to get attention, on your left, etc. No matter how friendly the sound a bell makes, it is like a car horn, open to interpretation - is the person just giving a polite warning, or being a jerk, etc.
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