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Old 03-13-20, 07:31 PM
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Toilet paper wars?

Explain why people are fighting over toilet paper? I know ya need to wipe but getting into a fight over a package of TP? Are people going to use It as currency? Or are people going to TP each other’s trees? I don’t get it
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Step outside yourself and become an observational third party immersed in this mass social experiment. Take notes as to people's behavior and how societal managers will use this crisis as a grab for power. This occurs without fail (i.e. the Patriot Act). During this time in history, I also encourage all to watch or re-watch "Wag the Dog" with Robert DeNiro and Dustin Hoffman.
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Eric Cartman has the TP thing solved.

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Are they still making new South Parks?
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Are they still making new South Parks?
Not sure. I watch plenty or reruns...
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People are feeling powerless in the face of an implacable foe they can't see or stop. Buying shed loads of date roll is their way of taking some control. If it's not already, hand sanitiser will be next.
In the meantime the stuff they actually will need if they get sick are in plentiful supply, cough medicine, for both dry and wet coughs, throat lozenges, paracetamol for fever, oral rehydration mixes etc etc. I had a brutal flu in December, and I needed all that by the truck load. Can't say it was Covid 19 unless that whole conspiracy about it starting in the US military is true (was in Antarctica and the US Air Force fly there) but it sucked, especially since I worked outside. It's now 2 1/2 months later and I still cough stuff up in the mornings.
Incidentally we stocked up on supplies about 3 weeks ago, Blind Freddy could see that Covid19 was going to go ballistic as most countries aren't able to introduce the same social controls China did, since they don't have the same range of coercive threats China does to ensure compliance.
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Hmmm, I'm trying to figure out how much TP the average person uses. I currently use very little. I think when I was really using a lot, a roll might last me a month or so.

But, I'm seeing estimates on the internet of a couple of rolls a week!! Although, perhaps it depends on whether men or women are writing the articles.

So, if it is a roll a month, then a 12 pack would be sufficient to stock up for a year.
If it is a couple of rolls a week, then skip the food and pile on the TP.

Perhaps rather than fighting for the last roll of TP on the shelf, it is time to figure out how to take care of one's needs without cutting down a forest.
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Hmmm, I'm trying to figure out how much TP the average person uses. I currently use very little. I think when I was really using a lot, a roll might last me a month or so.

But, I'm seeing estimates on the internet of a couple of rolls a week!! Although, perhaps it depends on whether men or women are writing the articles.

So, if it is a roll a month, then a 12 pack would be sufficient to stock up for a year.
If it is a couple of rolls a week, then skip the food and pile on the TP.

Perhaps rather than fighting for the last roll of TP on the shelf, it is time to figure out how to take care of one's needs without cutting down a forest.
Quality of TP is also an issue. That slick industrial stuff they supply at my office is rather poorly designed for the purpose. Quality stuff does the job well, while requiring less quantity.
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So "more" isn't always "better."
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Some people and health conditions do warrant more TP than usual. As my mom's health deteriorated with age and her Alzheimer's and tremors worsened, she developed excessive phlegm drainage. The problem worsened after she was intubated for surgery -- she had trouble swallowing. So it wasn't unusual for her to go through a roll of toilet paper every day. My granddad had a similar problem, although his was due to COPD and congestive heart failure related to heavy smoking when he was younger. He quit in his 50s but the damage was done by then and plagued him for the next 25 or so years. He could fill a wastebasket with TP and tissues every day.

I can't think of any alternatives to toilet paper and tissue that wouldn't be much worse for those conditions.

I was my mom's caregiver for her final decade and just got in the habit of keeping plenty of TP around, so I won't run out anytime soon now that I live alone (well, me and the cats). But I bought another bulk pack the other day after realizing the last bulk pack I bought was all single ply. Yeah, you can double and triple up on the single ply stuff, but it's a PITA to use. So I'll stash that in the back of the closet for actual emergencies.
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Keep in mind that there aren't really substitute products for TP. That's part of why when people stock up on supplies, TP goes fast and makes it look like people are nuts. It's pretty much the one product in the store that is meant for the purpose it's meant for.

People may stock up on food also, but there are hundreds or even thousands of food products in a large grocery store in the US. There are products that are perfectly acceptable substitutes for other products. And people even buy lots of stuff (like canned products) they wouldn't normally.
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The Washlet rules, I use 4 sheets a day only because I cheaped out and didn't get one with a blow dryer...
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Toilet paper wars?
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Hmmm, I'm trying to figure out how much TP the average person uses. I currently use very little. I think when I was really using a lot, a roll might last me a month or so.

But, I'm seeing estimates on the internet of a couple of rolls a week!! Although, perhaps it depends on whether men or women are writing the articles.

So, if it is a roll a month, then a 12 pack would be sufficient to stock up for a year.
If it is a couple of rolls a week, then skip the food and pile on the TP.

Perhaps rather than fighting for the last roll of TP on the shelf, it is time to figure out how to take care of one's needs without cutting down a forest.
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Quality of TP is also an issue. That slick industrial stuff they supply at my office is rather poorly designed for the purpose. Quality stuff does the job well, while requiring less quantity.
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So "more" isn't always "better."
Singer Sheryl Crow has posted her estimates:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...usicnews.music

"All I wanna do is have some fun," sang Sheryl Crow once, but it appears her desires have since changed. Now all she wants to do is limit the use of toilet paper to one sheet per visit.

The singer made her declaration in an article for the Huffington Post to help promote her Stop Global Warming College Tour, an 11-date tour explaining the perils of global warming to Americans. Accompanied by Laurie David, activist and wife of comedian Larry David, the pair have been criss-crossing the country in a biodiesel-powered bus spreading the word on the bathroom hygiene of the future.

According to Crow's new strictures, the average person should use "only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where two to three could be required".

Further details were not offered as to the precise nature of these "pesky occasions", though "we are an industrious enough people that we can make it work", she insists.

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Just what you tree-hugging, toilet paper saving fanatics need:

https://myomigo.com/?msclkid=46e861e...ontent=General
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Toilet paper wars?Singer Sheryl Crow has posted her estimates:
The reality is the batroom hygiene of the future should involve a lot less paper and more hygenic washing.

I read one opinion piece that compared American toilets to bedpans with holes...

The Japanese and Finnish folkks have it right... washing is the future.

Even Kohler had future toilets at CES.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/6/18...oilet-ces-2019

In Finland, every pooper had a wash wand nearby... even the corner gas station. And really, not that difficult to retrofit... if only Americans would learn to wash, rather than wipe... ewwwww.
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Use tree leaves or tree bark like in the old days.
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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
Use tree leaves or tree bark like in the old days.
Watch for poison ivy/oak. YIKES
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Watch for poison ivy/oak. YIKES
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Yeah this toilet paper thing is ridiculous. If you're stuck at home for weeks why not use your shower and a wash cloth? If we ever buy a home we're getting a bidet or something, using just TP is super gross.

I reflected to my wife that if I felt the need to hoard months of goods; I'd probably buy a rifle, water filter, fishing gear, and vegetable seeds. Not TP, bottled water and small bottles of hand sanitizer
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I ate all you’re TP and I’m hiding in this cocoon away from you crazy humans.


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Just what you tree-hugging, toilet paper saving fanatics need:
You don’t have to be a ‘tree-hugger’ to use a bidet…it’s about personal hygiene. I’ve used one my whole life. Also the water use is trivial compared to how much water is used to produce toilet paper and then the trees needed too for those who do care about the environment, ‘tree-hugger’/fanatic or not.
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Watch for poison ivy/oak. YIKES
I don't react to poison oak, at least on the hands.

Stinging Nettles?
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Forget TP, our Warrenton Costco got cleaned out yesterday of: Bread, canned food, PB, etc. and most food that has a remotely longer shelf life.

Plenty of gas LOL.
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I give it to mice to build nests with.

You can buy enough canned food for a month in a hand basket. TP comes in huge packages, so it's more conspicuous when people buy it, and when it's missing from the shelves.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
I don't react to poison oak, at least on the hands.

Stinging Nettles?
My grandmother never reacted to poison ivy, immune her whole life. She'd pull it out of her property with bare hands. But the immunity wore off in old age, before the practice did.
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They're ruining my routine. I buy groceries Saturday mornings. To avoid the crowds. That didn't work out this morning. The produce aisle was normal.

Funny thing yesterday, the deli said I couldn't refill my cup. They wanted me to ask for a new cup before refilling. Rarely need a refill anyway.

BTW: TP gone, one roll of paper towels left at the grocery store. I think I got enuff to get thru the panic. Enough washrags and cloth towels if not. Read somewhere the Romans used sponges. In civilized society you were expected to clean and replace the sponge for the next person.
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