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Old 01-07-20, 05:58 PM
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This super fast decay of speed explains why people can ride a PB flying 200 at Nationals, then 2-3 weeks later ride a terrible time.

The concept is called “Periodization”.

It’s not the absolute only way to do it. There is also “Reverse Periodization” which is similar, but iterating over smaller cycles.
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I hear you. I'm ramping up slowly, I want to avoid injuries. The leg press throws and box jump stuff will be in my future. I have to pedal better also. Long list of things to do.
Right. As others have mentioned, there is a sequence to these things. The Starting Strength beginner's program (gospel to many) has you jumping in with cleans from day one, but there is a general consensus in the training info I've seen that before getting to explosive/plyometric stuff you should first get a reasonable level of basic strength. That said, for me it helps to start the explosive stuff as soon as possible. For my meager gym numbers, that means as soon as I am squatting around 110kg, the explosive stuff starts.
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re BP's comment, one of the helpful things somebody taught me is that strength is base training for power. so the progression goes: strength -> power (strength fast) -> speed (using power to go fast) -> speed endurance (going fast for a longer period of time).
I got that concept in not so few words perusing various things, but that's a good synopsis.

Right now I'm realistically just too weak. I want to work on the strength first. I'll be interspersing some form riding as I'll be moving down to 170mm cranks at the very least (it's what I have on my old track bike, my spin bike, and my future cranks for my Dolan). I figure the speed stuff can wait until May.
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Originally Posted by taras0000 View Post
Typically, any lockring will do, but it depends on which hub you have, not which cog you have, as it is the hub that accepts the lockring, not the cog. Most hubs use the ISO standard, but there are some out there that use separate standards.

33.5 mm × 24 TPI Campagnolo, Gipiemme, Phil Wood, Miche
1.29" × 24 TPI Shimano, Suntour, Formula, Dimension, Suzue, Surly, Zipp, Corima - This is the ISO standard.
33.0 mm × 1 Mavic

There is one are two cases where the lockring/cog combo matters. One and that is when you use a 12 tooth cog. They come with their own special lockrings that have a smaller outer diameter, so that the chain doesn't ride on the lockring instead of the cog. I have only ever seen this combination use the ISO standard.
The other case is when you use the 33.5 mm X 24 TPI Miche hub and a 13 tooth cog, The Miche lockring is just enough bigger to cause the chain to ride up on the ring and periodically drop into the spanner slots, making setting chain tension a Sisyphan trial. I haven't tried the 33.5 x 24 TPI hubs of the other makers, so no advice there.

I do not know where to buy 12 tooth 33.5 X 24 TPI lockrings. A good machine shop can re-thread an ISO lockring to the bigger 33.5 x 24. TiCycles has done it twice for me and the re-threaded rings work beautifully, but they cut the threads on a lathe and not with a die. Between that and the very hard metal of the 12 tooth lockrings I have found, the machining was not cheap.

I learned all this dialing in my road fix gear to ride in the mountains. I use a small 1/8" chainring in front and all the 1/8" cogs I've ever heard of. (So far, 24 to 12.) The bike has done the week of Cycle Oregon 5 times (and never seen a freewheel).

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Why not have the Miche lockrings turned down to a smaller diameter? How much material would need to be removed? Also, it's much less hassle, and mechanically more efficient to ride with bigger ring/cog combos. The only reason 12t cogs came into existence was that you couldn't get an track ring bigger than 54t until maybe 10 years ago. Prior to that, it was an expensive custom endeavor to acquire said rings.
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Many years ago I used Renold bicycle chains. Searches for these chains came up blanc in later years. However I just stumbled on this Renold site:
https://velo.renold.com/
Cost 250 pounds UK per chain
Has anybody used these chains and if so what are your opinions?
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Many years ago I used Renold bicycle chains. Searches for these chains came up blanc in later years. However I just stumbled on this Renold site:
https://velo.renold.com/
Cost 250 pounds UK per chain
Has anybody used these chains and if so what are your opinions?
Opinion? this one is easy answer.

Are you top class/world class racer? that every marginal gain in 0.1-0.001 seconds could end up lose or win that your jobs (your life) relied on it? If you are in those group, I would invest in marginal gain, everything counts.

I would spent money elsewhere. 250 pounds UK per chain is obvious overly bloody price for average.
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Many years ago I used Renold bicycle chains. Searches for these chains came up blanc in later years. However I just stumbled on this Renold site:
https://velo.renold.com/
Cost 250 pounds UK per chain
Has anybody used these chains and if so what are your opinions?
I've spent more time thinking about DT friction than most should (especially considering how slow I am)
nonetheless, my thoughts
For track you have basically two trees to follow for efficient chains

1.) Pursuiter/bunchie races - get a 3/32 drivetrain and run the newest Dura Ace 11 (until 12 speed comes out) speed chain. Either DIY wax it or use the highly efficient lube of choice (Ceramicspeed, etc) - basically just starting with this chain is most likely going to be more efficient than any 1/8 chain.

2.) (strong) Sprinter - in this case, you could very well break a 3/32 chain, so you want to stick with 1/8. Unfortunately, 1/8 tech doesn't move like 3/32 does, so not as many high tech choices. I'd steer away from the Izumi Super toughness as it's probably less efficient than less "tough" models... but most other 1/8 chains are likely very close in performance out of the box. At home/cheap, your best bet is again, stripping them of factory lube, then applying wax/efficient lube. If you want to spend more (but less than the linked chain) your next step is probably having it "ultra" precision polished. This is basically a super fine abrasive that removes imperfections in the manufacturing process. It's been used (controversially) in motor sports, and likely a fair bit in cycling as well under the radar. I wouldn't be surprised if the linked chain hadn't had something similar done.

Other options are using a hard low friction coating (like on pistons/ moving engine components) on the cog/chainring (I'm working on diy'ing it now) that should reduce friction. And of course bearings/grease etc.

But tl;dr - for most mortals, buy the chain that fits 1 or 2, then wax it and you'll be 95% of the way to what you can buy for any amount of money.
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*also forgot to mention.

Chainline, chainline chainline.
Get it perfect.
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I plan on transitioning to doing actual squats with free weights and a bar, but I'll ease into that. I plan on doing form squats soon, empty bar etc (from the UP UP UP thing).
Are you a sprinter or endurance rider?

I'm no expert but I believe you should be squating using a barbell right now. Leave the leg press machine alone if you have access to free weights.

There's so much technique that goes into squating. There's so many different variations and style of technique. I personally follow the philosophy of Olympic Weightlifters since the program I use has me doing clean + jerks and snatches.

You should ask yourself: Are you going to squat high bar, low bar, a** to grass, wide stance like a power lifter, or heels underneath hips or torso?

Also, learning how to properly front rack for front squats and cleans will take time and often most people have to do mobility drills or use a special bar to do front squats.

Also, about comparing yourself to others (about strength)- stop that. Strength takes a long time to develop. When you first start off your numbers will increase by a lot due to correcting bad technique, but after that... I'm afraid it's a slow grind. Also remember the strongest person in the gym doesn't equal the faster person on the velodrome.

Are you on a workout program or are you just making it up as you go?
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Originally Posted by AmahlAmahlAmahl View Post
Are you a sprinter or endurance rider?

I'm no expert but I believe you should be squating using a barbell right now. Leave the leg press machine alone if you have access to free weights.

There's so much technique that goes into squating. There's so many different variations and style of technique. I personally follow the philosophy of Olympic Weightlifters since the program I use has me doing clean + jerks and snatches.

You should ask yourself: Are you going to squat high bar, low bar, a** to grass, wide stance like a power lifter, or heels underneath hips or torso?

Also, learning how to properly front rack for front squats and cleans will take time and often most people have to do mobility drills or use a special bar to do front squats.

Also, about comparing yourself to others (about strength)- stop that. Strength takes a long time to develop. When you first start off your numbers will increase by a lot due to correcting bad technique, but after that... I'm afraid it's a slow grind. Also remember the strongest person in the gym doesn't equal the faster person on the velodrome.

Are you on a workout program or are you just making it up as you go?
I'm definitely making it up as I go. Right now I'm lifting at the gym whenever I am not sore (seems like 2-3 days recovery), doing form squats, leg press, low row (machine), lat pull down, form deadlift, abdominal. Bench, press, pushups, and some core when I'm at home, so I tend not to do it at the gym.

I have a track bike I bought 30 years ago and that'll go on the trainer as soon as I build a rear clincher for it (rim/spokes are on the way) - I plan on using that to figure out standing starts and seeing what kind of speed/power I can put down when limited to one gear. I'm lucky in that I live on a quiet flat bit of road that goes into a 10% grade, so initially I'll do my standing starts into that hill (I might even rig together a fake start stand). I'm putting together a modern bike that should be finalized in the next couple months (I have to figure out the bars and cranks).

On squat, due to long torso and short quads, I'm thinking high bar, feet under shoulders, break parallel. I have no training in free weights so I'm not going to do any purely technical moves (clean jerk etc). It'll be pure squats. I'll do form squats for now, work on bar moving vertically, get the mechanics down, very light weights, then increase weight.

Sprinter for sure. My FTP is pretty poor, 200-220w (220w = upgrade to Cat 2 in 2010, although I downgraded in 2011 to start a family). All but one of my results are through sprints or sprint efforts. On two SRMs I can repeat 1500w peak (1700w not very repeatable), and my best long road sprints were 1100w@19s. I'm rpm limited though, in terms of applying power, so one of my next steps is to do 0-150 rpm work. I raced track in 2009, every weekday I could do. I did a 3 km pursuit and I finished about 1 minute behind the winner. I won some races, keirin (with a moto), scratch, but they were all very low key.

I'm using others as benchmarks as I figure they'll be my competition, sort of. I want to be in the ballpark.
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i wouldn't recommend practicing standing starts into a hill. you want to train application of power through a range of cadences, and that means that you need to practice rolling that gear up, topping out, and maintaining power at a high cadence. think specificity - using the hill to bring your cadence down won't help you make speed on a track bike.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
I'm definitely making it up as I go. Right now I'm lifting at the gym whenever I am not sore (seems like 2-3 days recovery), doing form squats, leg press, low row (machine), lat pull down, form deadlift, abdominal. Bench, press, pushups, and some core when I'm at home, so I tend not to do it at the gym.


I have a track bike I bought 30 years ago and that'll go on the trainer as soon as I build a rear clincher for it (rim/spokes are on the way) - I plan on using that to figure out standing starts and seeing what kind of speed/power I can put down when limited to one gear. I'm lucky in that I live on a quiet flat bit of road that goes into a 10% grade, so initially I'll do my standing starts into that hill (I might even rig together a fake start stand). I'm putting together a modern bike that should be finalized in the next couple months (I have to figure out the bars and cranks).


On squat, due to long torso and short quads, I'm thinking high bar, feet under shoulders, break parallel. I have no training in free weights so I'm not going to do any purely technical moves (clean jerk etc). It'll be pure squats. I'll do form squats for now, work on bar moving vertically, get the mechanics down, very light weights, then increase weight.


Sprinter for sure. My FTP is pretty poor, 200-220w (220w = upgrade to Cat 2 in 2010, although I downgraded in 2011 to start a family). All but one of my results are through sprints or sprint efforts. On two SRMs I can repeat 1500w peak (1700w not very repeatable), and my best long road sprints were 1100w@19s. I'm rpm limited though, in terms of applying power, so one of my next steps is to do 0-150 rpm work. I raced track in 2009, every weekday I could do. I did a 3 km pursuit and I finished about 1 minute behind the winner. I won some races, keirin (with a moto), scratch, but they were all very low key.


I'm using others as benchmarks as I figure they'll be my competition, sort of. I want to be in the ballpark.

Check out these videos to help out your squat:


- Find Your Squat Stance for the Olympic Squat




- Foot Pressure & Knee Movement in the Squat




- Ankle Mobility for Squats & Olympic Weightlifting



- Squat with the Hips & Knees Together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk9hd9AhUR



I can't stress how important it is to get on a proper weight lifting program and not just "wing it". A lot of people I know swear by Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training. You can find the book on sell, used, for around $10-20. I personally use Track Cycling Academy's weight lifting program. You shouldn't be afraid of Olympic Lifts. The Australian Cycling team practices them for a reason. There's a lot of different resources on learning the technique sand various drills you can practice. If you're ever interested in oly lifts, check out Greg Everett's Olympic Weightlifting: A Complete Guide For Athletes & Coaches. I purchased the book used for $20.00. Also, ****** has a great community for weightlifting. I hope some of this information helps you out.
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i wouldn't recommend practicing standing starts into a hill. you want to train application of power through a range of cadences, and that means that you need to practice rolling that gear up, topping out, and maintaining power at a high cadence. think specificity - using the hill to bring your cadence down won't help you make speed on a track bike.
Thanks for this tidbit. I didn't think of the topping out part of the deal in terms of my standing starts.

More detail - there's about 200m before the hill, so I was thinking more of using the hill to slow me down rather than using the hill for resistance. I'm particularly concerned with the first 5-10 seconds of the start, where my lack of practice/experience/etc will be painfully apparent. I have to think about the high cadence power though.

I don't know where I'll be able to practice regularly on a fixed gear bike. One option I haven't explored is to get a fixed gear bike with brakes, but that's not realistic at this point.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
Thanks for this tidbit. I didn't think of the topping out part of the deal in terms of my standing starts.

More detail - there's about 200m before the hill, so I was thinking more of using the hill to slow me down rather than using the hill for resistance. I'm particularly concerned with the first 5-10 seconds of the start, where my lack of practice/experience/etc will be painfully apparent. I have to think about the high cadence power though.

I don't know where I'll be able to practice regularly on a fixed gear bike. One option I haven't explored is to get a fixed gear bike with brakes, but that's not realistic at this point.
Sounds fine, just shut down before the hill.
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Originally Posted by AmahlAmahlAmahl View Post
Check out these videos to help out your squat:

(snip)

I can't stress how important it is to get on a proper weight lifting program and not just "wing it". A lot of people I know swear by Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training. You can find the book on sell, used, for around $10-20. I personally use Track Cycling Academy's weight lifting program. You shouldn't be afraid of Olympic Lifts. The Australian Cycling team practices them for a reason. There's a lot of different resources on learning the technique sand various drills you can practice. If you're ever interested in oly lifts, check out Greg Everett's Olympic Weightlifting: A Complete Guide For Athletes & Coaches. I purchased the book used for $20.00. Also, ****** has a great community for weightlifting. I hope some of this information helps you out.
Good Lord. Thanks for these. I have studying to do.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
Thanks for this tidbit. I didn't think of the topping out part of the deal in terms of my standing starts.

More detail - there's about 200m before the hill, so I was thinking more of using the hill to slow me down rather than using the hill for resistance. I'm particularly concerned with the first 5-10 seconds of the start, where my lack of practice/experience/etc will be painfully apparent. I have to think about the high cadence power though.

I don't know where I'll be able to practice regularly on a fixed gear bike. One option I haven't explored is to get a fixed gear bike with brakes, but that's not realistic at this point.
Gotcha. Yeah, for sprint or speed work a lot of coaches say "stop before you bog down" - and a hill bogs you down. But using it just to slow down is okay.

You can throw on any old 1 1/8" road fork with a front brake for road work. Though honestly if you find yourself a nice long quiet stretch of road with no intersections, you might find yourself perfectly comfortable brakeless.
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Gotcha. Yeah, for sprint or speed work a lot of coaches say "stop before you bog down" - and a hill bogs you down. But using it just to slow down is okay.

You can throw on any old 1 1/8" road fork with a front brake for road work. Though honestly if you find yourself a nice long quiet stretch of road with no intersections, you might find yourself perfectly comfortable brakeless.
But use a lockring.

Not many things scarier when the cog comes loose from back pedaling out on a road with traffic and stop signs.
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You can throw on any old 1 1/8" road fork with a front brake for road work.
This is so easy it hadn't dawned on me. My original track bike was a threaded headset, I have no extra forks, etc. The new one is not as complicated.
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I don't know where I'll be able to practice regularly on a fixed gear bike. ...…………………………....
It's a long shot but have you asked Simsbury airport if you could use their runway during off hours?

When I lived in LA I used my companies parking lots for fixed gear riding.
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Just purchased me a Ross Mt. Whitney (I think that is the model). Here is the serial # R4GO341 and I am wondering if anyone could lead me to a website of serial #'s for this bike. Would like to have the interpretation of the numbers.
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This is so easy it hadn't dawned on me. My original track bike was a threaded headset, I have no extra forks, etc. The new one is not as complicated.
yup! bet you even have something in your garage/basement that can work. rake might not be perfect, but it's close enough for rock and roll. and a brake lever's easy enough, too - you can either have a training handlebar setup with a dedicated brake lever, or put a crosstop lever on your bars (either on the drops or on the tops), since those tend to have hinged bands that you can add/remove without messing with your bar tape. for bars with aero or oversized tops, on which you can't mount a lever, i've seen people train with a crosstop lever in their drops just above their tape or grip. ugly but gets the job done.
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Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
yup! bet you even have something in your garage/basement that can work...
To piggyback on this comment.

I was really proud of my standing start as I felt it was where I excelled. (I've told this story before). After training under the guy who is arguably the best U.S. Masters Man1 in recent history, Kirk Whiteman, I started training my starts (as well as other efforts) on CycleOps spin bikes in my home as he does with his athletes in his spin studio (I trained there, too). When configured with the right level of friction, they simulate perfectly the forces of a standing start. I've poured just under 2200W into them before. It's perfect for various types of training for the track.

I highly recommend that any athlete that is gonna be in the sport for a few years invest in one. This eliminates any excuse about getting time on the bike. You can do any effort from 10s standing start efforts to "Netflix and spin" fat-burning rides as you watch a movie.

I've built 3 of them over the years and never paid more than like $400 for a used one (gym surplus or some guy who bought one from a bike shop and never used it). And they all had power meters on them.

They are like Wattbikes before Wattbike existed...and are less expensive new and easier to find used in the USA.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
To piggyback on this comment.

I was really proud of my standing start as I felt it was where I excelled. (I've told this story before). After training under the guy who is arguably the best U.S. Masters Man1 in recent history, Kirk Whiteman, I started training my starts (as well as other efforts) on CycleOps spin bikes in my home as he does with his athletes in his spin studio (I trained there, too). When configured with the right level of friction, they simulate perfectly the forces of a standing start. I've poured just under 2200W into them before. It's perfect for various types of training for the track.

I highly recommend that any athlete that is gonna be in the sport for a few years invest in one. This eliminates any excuse about getting time on the bike. You can do any effort from 10s standing start efforts to "Netflix and spin" fat-burning rides as you watch a movie.

I've built 3 of them over the years and never paid more than like $400 for a used one (gym surplus or some guy who bought one from a bike shop and never used it). And they all had power meters on them.

They are like Wattbikes before Wattbike existed...and are less expensive new and easier to find used in the USA.
Huh.

Perusing Craigslist, Marketplace...

*edit there is a place selling 15 of them a couple towns over. $550. Jeepers.

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Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
Huh.

Perusing Craigslist, Marketplace...

*edit there is a place selling 15 of them a couple towns over. $550. Jeepers.
Told you.

...and they'd probably accept less than $550 for one.
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