shoota 

They seem to be direct competitors. The biggest differences on paper are the Jamis has Ultegra while the Warbird has Rival, I think the Renegade's American Classic wheelset is better (but I could be wrong), the Warbird has more tire clearance, the Renegade is specced with better tires, and the Warbird is $400 cheaper.
Anything else worth mentioning? Maybe someone has real world experience with either or both?

Renegade Elite: renegadeelite
Warbird Carbon: WARBIRD CARBON RIVAL 22 | Bikes | Salsa Cycles

Pendergast

Pretty similar bikes. Most people prefer one or the other with regard to Shimano or SRAM. As you said, there's the tire clearance difference which may or may not matter to you. No experience with either bike, but the other thing I notice on the geometry charts is the difference in front end geometry(head tube angle and fork rake/offset). You might prefer the steering feel of one over the other.

shoota 

Which one would handle more like a road bike when using road tires?

Pendergast

The steeper HTA and greater fork offset produce a lower trail number(quicker steering) which would make the Jamis Renegade feel more like a typical road bike.

shoota 

Perfect, good to know thanks. I really like the Renegade a lot. Seems like the perfect one bike to do it all.

PlanetU

I love my Jamis Renegade and it feels great when I switch to road wheels. It has become my favorite bike to ride!
:-)

chas58

read some good reviews? I like Salsa, but this review is pretty strong. They don't give 5 stars very often...

Review: Jamis Renegade Elite | road.cc

Right now, if I had could only have one bike, this would be it. Finding the limits meant taking it to almost ridiculous extremes...

On the road this makes for handling that is reasonably relaxed – it's certainly not rapier-sharp like a crit bike but neither is it a barge – and off-road it gives you a bit more leeway to push the limits before you run into trouble...

jerman

Hi.. so, question please.
I come from a strictly road and clincher background but just placed an order for a Felt VR4 with hydralic brakes.
When you say switch to road wheels, the Renegadelite has hydraulic brakes.
I have some nice old Alu road wheels, would I be able to get them compatible with the hydraulic brakes?
Does it take a specific type wheel to make it compatible with hydraulic brakes?
Thanks and Merry Christmas.. Jerry

athrowawaynic

How will you mount the discs to the old hubs?

Hiro11

Tough call. The above geometry comments are worth considering. The $400 premium for the Jamis is stiff, maybe it's worth it, maybe not. I have the same Ultegra with the 805 components on my gravel bike and they're definitely superb. Also, those AC wheels are (apparently) superior to the R24 Splines on the Jamis. Having said that, the R24s are just fine.

I think I'd go with the Salsa, buy a set of tubeless MSOs for rougher roads and install a Praxis threaded BB converter.

mstateglfr 

You need hubs which are disc specific. You road wheels wont work

PlanetU

I just bought disc specific wheels. Easy peasy.

chas58

everything in bikes becomes obsolete in a couple of years. Geeze, with Shimano you can't even swap out mountain and road drivetrain components any more. Then specialized goes off and makes a bike that only takes specialized wheels (guess they backed off on that this year). Forks, wheels, brakes, hubs, wheel size, dropout width - this industry is insane...

chas58

Jerry,

Here is what is wrong with your wheels, according to the fickle and changing fashion of the bicycling industry.

• The hubs cannot accept disks
• They are too narrow for the current fashion
• They are not tubeless, they require inner tubes
• They use skewers and not through axles
• They are designed for old dropout widths, and not the wider 142mm dropouts your bike is using.

Some of those are deal breakers. Don’t worry, your new bike and parts will be obsolete before too long. Gotta keep selling new product!!!

Is my sarcastic attitude showing???
;-)

jerman

That is very, very funny.. hopefully not 100% true, hope that these changes do bring some improvements.
Thanks for making my day..