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Old 04-23-18, 09:43 AM
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1982 Motobecane Jubilee Sport

Hey everyone. I found what I think is an '82 Motobecane at a thrift store yesterday. Any bike is worth 10 dollars, right? So I brought it home. Regardless of what plans I have with a bike, I'm terrible at taking "before" pictures, prior to even touching it. So I post those here for your viewing pleasure.

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It has a lot of "garage grunge" on it, probably from hanging upside down in someone's garage for years. There's no real rust on it. I believe this to be a 23" 1982 model, in the Gunmetal Grey color. The bottom bracket shell and the inside of one of the dropouts has a "1978" stamp, but I don't think they made a Jubilee Sport in 1978.

Actually, the name is curious to me. The bike says "Jubile Sport", but the catalog says "Jubilee Sport" (with two "e"s). Does anyone know why the bike has just one "e" in "Jubile"? It doesn't even have an accent mark on the "e".

It's mostly unmolested. It has the Suntour BL series derailleurs and down tube shifters, and an SR Custom crank set (42/52 I believe). The rear hub is a Shimano (should be a 400), and the front hub should be also according to the catalog, but it's a Maillard (probably an inexpensive one). The rims are Rigida, which matches the catalog spec. It has Michelin Select tires (25-630), and the originals were Michelin Elan. Nearly everything on this thing is made in France, including the Maillard hub, the Michelin tires, and the frame (though it uses the Japanese style bottom bracket threading -- edit: it actually uses Swiss threading).

The most obvious upgrade is the Shimano 105 brakes. They're 1050 calipers and 1051 brake levers as I recall. Everything is cleaning up very nicely. The brakes show as new, and the front wheel cleaned up very nice. The rear wheel has a bunch of black splatters on it that look similar to paint, but they do rub off with some elbow grease. The rear derailleur was about frozen in place, and I have lubed that up and have gotten it working better. The front derailleur is lazy, but it's working. The shifters seem fine. The rear cassette is a Shimano Uniglide, 6 speed. The chain is a Sedis of unknown age. Is that likely original?

I will likely have some more questions about this bike as I go, but am I on the right track so far? Looks like an '82 model? Any ideas about the Jubile/Jubilee marking?

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Old 04-23-18, 09:58 AM
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Sweet! Nice score for a tenner. I thought only MTBs got that kind of pricing. Looking forward to seeing it cleaned up.
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I have BL derailleurs on my Univega, and they're great. The "RJ the Bike Guy" video on overhauling the Suntour Vx is really helpful if you want to tear it completely apart to clean it, and that front mech should work fine after cleaning/lubing. Great find for ten bucks!
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
Sweet! Nice score for a tenner. I thought only MTBs got that kind of pricing. Looking forward to seeing it cleaned up.
Better quality rigid MTB prices are on the increase in SE Michigan.


OP, beware the rear chainstays are tight so don't be getting wider rubber. Ask me how I know this.
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My issue with the rear derailleur is it hangs so far down and there's a HUGE gap between the top guide sprocket and the cassette. Like, measured in centimeters, not millimeters. The tab through which the B screw threads is such that the derailleur cannot rotate far enough forward to get a close gap. It looks like it's absolutely as designed, but shifting is pretty dirty, I think because of that huge gap.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2
OP, beware the rear chainstays are tight so don't be getting wider rubber. Ask me how I know this.
Yeah, they're pretty close. The tires are marked 25-630, though their actual width is only about 21mm. I swapped in a wheel and tire from my '84 Schwinn World Sport, which wears 32-630 Kenda K40s (about 29mm actual), and it fits, but it's certainly closer. The actual inside width is 33mm between the stays, and I'd be comfortable up to an actual 30mm tire. Unfortunately, tire sizing is such that you don't know what the tire will inflate to on the rims.

I have some rim trouble with this bike -- the front rim is pretty true, but there seems to be a wide spot/bulge in the wheel about 2" to one side of the pinned seam. You wouldn't know it, but the brake pads really grab at that one spot. I haven't take the tire off to investigate yet. The rear rim definitely needs some work. It's true enough to ride, but it's far from perfect. I'm going to see if I can work these things out before putting any real money into the bike.
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I call it Garage Grunge, and it should clean up fairly easily. It's a very nice bike.
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I must also correct something I said earlier. The bottom bracket is apparently Swiss threaded. This uses the standard French thread pitch of 35x1 (mm), but the drive side cup uses left-hand threads (righty-loosey), whereas true French threaded bottom brackets use standard right-hand threads (lefty-loosey) on both sides.
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hokiefyd -

I had an earlier version with the Vitus 888 frameset and similar graphics. You will likely find yours to be a very nice rider.
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Originally Posted by hokiefyd
Any ideas about the Jubile/Jubilee marking?
I just assumed they are the French/English variations on the same word. I would expect the French version to have the accented E, though. Maybe dropping the accent is just a way to streamline the graphics on the labels. A marketing/graphic design decision rather than a grammatical one. Labeling aside, that's a pretty nice bike for sawbuck.

Mine was the same year as yours, and looking at old catalogs online made me believe it's a 1982. On the stock Rigida blue label rims, the frame fit 28mm Paselas, easy. The 105 stoppers you have are big improvement over the Dia Compe 400s, or whatever the bike came with. They were utterly forgettable calipers, apart from the snappy black armband they wore (no doubt to commemorate the cyclists who died because they couldn't stop in time.)

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Thanks, guys. Those 28mm Paselas look ace. I shoe-horned in the rims/tires from my '84 Schwinn today (about 29.5mm actual) and they're a tight fit, especially in the rear chain stays.

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@Lascauxcaveman, yours certainly appears to be the same as mine, though yours may have been the 25" frame?

I have the front tire off that wheel and there appears to be nothing awry in the rim itself to explain the "bulge" (that grabs the brake shoes). There's no real "bulge" anyway...I think it's just a slight rim lip bend or something and maybe a super slight out-of-true that causes a conflict. I'll work on this to see if I can get this front wheel going. If I can, then I'll tackle the rear.

No real hurry; this is a free time project. :-)
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That was a mega score for $10 but then as the owner of a 78 Moto GT I might be biased. Enjoy!

I am guessing the garage it lived in was also a wood shop
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman
I just assumed they are the French/English variations on the same word. I would expect the French version to have the accented E, though. Maybe dropping the accent is just a way to streamline the graphics on the labels. A marketing/graphic design decision rather than a grammatical one. Labeling aside, that's a pretty nice bike for sawbuck.
I figured as much. I pointed that out on the off chance that there was a super rare run of these where the factory mis-marked the frames and they didn't get out into the public except through Motobecane employees and only three are known to exist in the western world...or something like that.

'Guess not.
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I looked at a lot of bikes in France in 1981, and Motobécane was a low end line of bikes there. The bikes we got here seem to have been designed for our market, which would explain why they might have anglicized the model names.
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Originally Posted by noglider
The bikes we got here seem to have been designed for our market, which would explain why they might have anglicized the model names.
I understand the 630mm wheels are part of that North Americanization, and that they were almost entirely unknown to continental Europe, or at least to France. Motobecanes destined for France/Europe would have had 622mm wheels. If I can't get these wheels lined up exactly straight, I may consider putting a pair of 622mm wheels on it.
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Yes, well, 700c wheels have several advantages nowadays.
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The 0280 on the bottom bracket may indicate it's a 1980 bike, 0280 = February 1980.
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Originally Posted by bugs11
The 0280 on the bottom bracket may indicate it's a 1980 bike, 0280 = February 1980.
I did consider that, but Motobecane doesn't list a Jubilee Sport in its 1980 catalog. They list a Grand Jubilee, but not a Jubilee Sport. 1981 was the first time a Jubilee Sport shows up, and the catalog lists it as having Vitus 172 frame tubing with Vitus 888 fork tubing. They do list the two colors available as Turquoise and Gunmetal Grey, so I guess mine could be an '81.

And, actually, the '81 catalog shows it to have a Suntour Blue Line drivetrain, whereas '82 has a Suntour Black Line drivetrain. Mine are definitely Blue Line. Colors appear to be the same between '81 and '82. The fact that mine has a Maillard front hub apparently doesn't help, as both model years are supposed to have a Shimano 400 front hub.

1982 is supposed to have Vitus 888 tubing in both the fork and the frame.

I'll take a closer look at the frame tubing decal to see if I can make out a 172 or an 888, as that seems to be the predominant difference between the two years.
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I did confirm at lunch that the frame decal says "888 Vitus", which is consistent with the 1982 catalog. The Suntour BL drivetrain (in actual blue coloring) is consistent with the 1981 catalog. All other specs are pretty much the same between the years. Maybe mine was part of a 'tween years changeover; maybe it was built with the 1982 model year tubing, but they had some Blue Line derailers left over? This kind of stuff gets me really curious about the history of a bike.

I have both rims pretty trued. The front rim has that wide spot at the seam that I need to sand down, and the rear rim is a little hoppy when it spins. I think it's as much from the lips being dented/bashed as anything else. The front spokes and rim (and hub) shined up beautiful, but the rear is proving difficult to clean up. I also have the issue of the rear having a Uniglide hub body, which significantly limits cassette choices (unless I grind the wide spline on some Hyperglide sprockets).

I do have a newer Shimano Altus (MTB) hubset I salvaged from a parts bike, and it's exactly the spacing I need (100mm front/126mm rear). That hub body is a modern Hyperglide body, so that would solve that problem. I would also be able to build a set of wheels with new spokes and 622mm hoops, which would tremendously improve my tire selection. Unfortunately, I would also need to ditch the 105 brakes, because they won't reach down to a 622mm rim.

I'll probably concentrate on getting the cockpit where I want it first, which is currently all French (22.0mm stem with a 25.0mm handlebar clamp size). From my research, I should be able to put an ISO 22.2mm stem in it (possibly after sanding it some), and I should be able to safely shim my handlebar clamp area to 25.4mm...meaning that I can use a higher rise MTB stem on it. This will reduce my cost and should allow me to get the bar where I want it. Or...I could also use a Velo Orange butterfly bar that I have that I'm not currently using. That might be cool on this bike.

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So I thought I'd get the ol' girl out for some pictures today. I removed the seat post and checked the stem (it's loose -- huzzah!). I pulled the extant crank spindle out because it was creating a pretty big chainline number (over 50mm). After having found a symmetrical 116mm spindle in my bin, that puts my chainline at about 44mm, I'll use that one. I jettisoned the old shift cables and removed, cleaned, and reinstalled the shifters. I dig the blue! The front BL derailer looks and works great. The rear one is not great, but mostly because of the huge gap it creates between it and the cassette sprockets. I've had a newer ('90s) Shimano Acera X MTB derailer on it, and that looks like it'd work beautifully, so I need to figure out what I want to use in the rear. I want to keep the BL stuff on it, so I may look to see if there are other BL models that would work. It's like the current BL derailer is designed for a mid-cage pivot, but it has a top-wheel pivot on it, which moves the entire cage down. My cage actually has a V-GT marking on it, so maybe it was swapped at some point in the past. <shrug> I'll figure that out later.

The paint is cleaning up very nicely. The "Jubile Sport" on the top tube seems to be a screen print, or at least clear paint over decal, but the down tube and seat tube graphics are decals applied on the outside. You can see that at the front derailer clamp, where it squeezes the decal. It's probably been that way since 1982! It has a nice metallic flake to it, the paint does, and most of it has good luster still. I got pretty lucky -- it seems like this bike was either not ridden much, or taken care of when it was ridden (or both). There are some scratches/chips in the paint, but nothing egregious. Most of the extant chrome is nice still. The headset seems to be typical of French bikes -- with the sawtooth locking design. My fork and headset have the flat on the back of the steerer, rather than the keyway typical of JIS/ISO designs. The Swiss-threaded bottom bracket is good -- I mentioned the replacement spindle earlier, and the cups and (caged) bearings seem fine, so I'll stick with those. The non-drive side cup is marked "35 X P1", typical of French threading I understand (denoting 35x1mm threads). The drive side cup would normally be marked the same if the bottom bracket was fully French-threaded, but it has Swiss threading (standard for Motobecane at the time), which uses the French thread pitch but is left-hand threaded on the drive side, like the British standard. This cup is marked "35 X P1L" (probably for Left-hand threads).

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This bike is "done"! What do you all think?


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Everything cleaned up just beautifully. I have a total of $45, plus lots of time, in this bike. $10 purchase price from the thrift store. $10 KMC Z8.93 chain. $15 Specialized bar tape. $10 inner and outer cables. I've re-built just about everything, though. Both hubs are re-packed. The bottom bracket is re-packed. Both pedals are re-built. The Blue Line drivetrain shifts beautifully with this new chain.

I'm very pleased with how this turned out.
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Nice score and great cleanup! I suspect from your first pics that it may have been a carpenter's bike.
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If you're open to some constructive criticism:

The nose of the saddle seems to point down. I often take this as a sign that the saddle is too high. Check that.

Your brake levers are so high that you won't be able to reach them from the drops. That may be OK for you.

But those are small details. You've done neat and clean work, and the bike looks ready for action! Be sure to give a few ride reports.
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Old 06-08-18, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by noglider
If you're open to some constructive criticism...
I always am; thank you!

Originally Posted by noglider
The nose of the saddle seems to point down. I often take this as a sign that the saddle is too high. Check that.

Your brake levers are so high that you won't be able to reach them from the drops. That may be OK for you.
I tried to align the bottom of the levers with the flats of the drops. I do have the entire bar rotated up/back just a bit, because I'm not much of a road rider. It could, any probably should, be rotated down some (the entire bar). To be honest, as nice as this bike is, I'll probably sell it on to help finance some of my other bike projects. My other C&V project right now is a 1960s Peugeot Mixte that I'm really enjoying. I'll have some pictures of that bike this weekend as well.

I did put a lot of elbow grease into the wheels and the crankset on this Motobecane. I think the crankset turned out beautifully. It's not a particularly "nice" or rare piece, but it really pops in the sun. Same for the Blue Line group. I like this group so much, I hate to sell it on with the bike!
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Looks great man, how does it ride? appears you are using the old tires for now, not a bad idea if you are in the trying it out phase, after you have ridden it long enough to know if its a keeper a fresh set of Pasela 27" x 1 tires (ISO (ETRTO) Size: 25-630 mm) may improve things. That size is available many places including Biketiresdirect and I believe Amazon. OTOH it appears you got a 32-630 to Kenda to fit in one of the top shots so the Paselas in 27" x 1 1/4 (32-630 IS) might work too, I have a set of the Paselas in 32-630 on my 1978 Moto_GT I could do a caliper measure if you would like. There is also a Pasela in 27 x 1 1/8 (28-630).

Nice score and refurb.
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