ratebeer

Used to?

mirage1

I do drink milk (in my coffee) and have cow milk with cereal (I need to get back to almond milk, not sure what happened, there!). But when I did stop drinking milk for a long time, I felt so much better.

It isn't a bad thing to remember that although it is undeniably a "food," it's "food" especially made for growing baby cows into big cows.

But just for further edification, how about THIS? www.dhmo.org

Al.canoe

You appear somewhat self centered if you think anyone here is bothered by what you drink. Possibly it's the same logic you use to drink milk.

I encourage you to drink milk, lot's of it. Possibly someday you might earn a nomination for one of those annual Darwin awards.

Al

chipcom 

Yeah, yeah, typical safety nanny response. It pisses you off to no end that people can do all the things you are afraid of and not only survive, but thrive. Yep, I fall under Darwin alright...survival of the fittest.

Al.canoe

I never thought I'd be on a Vegan diet, much less that my wife would too. I was actually some what hostile to the China Study as I read the recommendations at the end first. But in hindsight, I already was eating meat only a couple of times a week and very minimal amounts of dairy. That's mostly because over the years I discovered I felt better that way.

My son-law's cholesterol really went down, like 35 points to around 150. Mine didn't budge a bit.

One caution though. It's tricky being vegan. You have to insure to get sufficient protein which Campbell implies is no problem. I mentally added up what I roughly get and I think it's hard to insure you get enough for folks like me who don't do soy. I get and extra 20 grams a day by supplementing with rice protein.

Best I can tell you need 0.45 gram/pound body weight for a couch potato to 1 gram for a extremely active person like a Tour de France participant. This is from Monique Ryan's book. I figure I need an average of 100 to 110 grams a day.

Before I supplemented, my last annual blood test put the blood protein in the middle of the acceptable range, but I felt like I had lost some energy and I was sleeping an extra hour at night. After about a month of protein supplementing I got back to my usual self. Not proof it had anything to do with protein, so I will experiment further.

Al

Al.canoe

Sounds like you are REALLY bothered! Sorry!

Al

slowandsteady

Nothing but a perfect complexion and my mood is consistently pinned on b#itch 24/7.

KeyLime

gave up cow juice about 5 yrs ago.. Got SoyMilk?

chipcom 

I'm not the one railing away about milk and Darwin and 'worst reasons', pal. If not drinking milk makes is what it takes for you to feel superior to others, good for you, better than taking meds I suppose.

ratebeer

Nice!

Pax

Love soymilk! Cow milk tastes really weird to me now.

ratebeer

An adult human, wet nursed on the teat of a cud-chewing cow is indeed a very weird thing. Throw in loads of antibiotics, steroid and hormone treatments into the "mother's milk" and you got something super freaking sketchy going on! I can't imagine if dairies didn't exist. Would humans be found late night in the barn stealing a suckle?

EJ123

I usually exercise aerobically and occasionally weight lift for weight loss purpose. I always finish up with whey protein or I take micellar casein 40 min before. Will this sort of ruin, so the speak, trying to not eat dairy for a day? (I'm seeing if I can make 7 days of it, and notice how I feel afterwards)

slowandsteady

And Soy milk is SOOO natural...

Al.canoe

Based on some excellent posts on this site and some research by my daughter, Soy is not "naturally" consumed in significant quantities, even by the Asians. Apparently, the so-called long-formented soy IS consumed in very moderate quantities.

Years ago I tried soy milk just for cereal. Tasted better than milk. However, after about 10 days my digestive system felt like it had shut down. I stopped the soy and got back to normal. I repeated the soy milk as an experiment twice more and got the same results each time. I must be soy intollerant.

I would suspect milk is as natural as the soy. Soy milk it's highly processed and adulterated too if I remember the label information correctly. Plus if the soy is imported from Asia, who knows the chemicals it contains as there are no real enforced standards over there.

Al

Pax

Since I've added more soy to my diet, my hotflashes are almost gone. I'd rather do soy than pills made from horse urine (premarin).

Nickel

I can't stand the taste of soy yogurt so I eat dairy yogurt. Strangely, I can't stand the taste of plain cow's milk.

Rice milk is a good alternative.

ratebeer

Why are you assuming people who avoid dairy drink soy milk?

EJ123

I just made almond milk, and tried it a few minutes ago. It's pretty good

WriteABike

Just a random thought...

Last night, my wife was reading "Heidi" to our daughter. (The children's novel, written ages ago.) For breakfast the characters would have a bowl of goat milk. For dinner they'd have toasted goat cheese. (No bread, just a big hunk of cheese.) I want a goat.

People have been drinking the milk of goats and cows since prehistoric times. We practically invented the modern milk cow; they're just big, dumb, biological machines. My daughter is allergic to soy, and is just getting over her cow milk allergies. Rice milk just doesn't have the fat or protein (or myriad other things) that milk has. It's in a completely different nutritional class. (Yes, they add stuff to it, but I don't trust manufactured foods to provide complete nutrition.) So we started giving her. . .goat milk! If it could help poor Clara learn to walk. . .

And since milk from the store is more or less manufactured, too, I don't completely trust it, either. Fresh milk from pastured cows would be much better, but how many people can keep cows?

Drinking the milk of another animal does seem a bit strange, but no more so than drinking rotten grain or fruit.

(What I wonder is who first looked at an artichoke and thought "That looks good to eat" and then kept chewing on it long enough to find the good part.)

Al.canoe

The first guy to find one that was really hungry.

Al

ratebeer

Goats milk is better for three reasons

1. It doesn't contain a milk protein found in cow's milk that is the most difficult to digest
2. It doesn't contain all the fungicides, pesticides (from grass and grain), hormones and antibiotics found in your non-organic cow's milk. The major brand of commercial goat's milk in the US is organic
3. The nutrient mix is not as hefty as cow's milk. Goats are smaller than cows.

My infant son recently made the painful switch from formula to milk and oh man, I wasn't prepared for it. He got painful rashes, would wake up screaming and reduced his total intake by 50%. Switching to organic alone eliminated the painful rashes. That's a bit freaky. What the heck is in our milk supply and why?

ratebeer

Even better is the story behind South American yagé which is prepared by toasting a tree bark and adding it to a pot of water where it's boiled for hours with another plant with the unique property of making an alkaloid in the bark bioactive. The dimethyltryptamine would otherwise be easily broken down.

Given that this went down in the rainforest, the odds of coming up with this combination, even minus the heat processing, is probably smaller than being crushed by a meteor.

Lecterman

I bought some hemp milk the other day and it is the first plant "milk" I didn't like too much.

Too much aftertaste...

EJ123

I saw on a site I usually get powder protein from, the hemp protein. I thought it was from nuts, but I'm not sure. I tried oat milk today also. Now that is good!