I tour on a setup weighing ~28lbs (Bike, bags and gear!)
#51
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Hampton Roads VA
Posts: 1,787
Bikes: '07 Trek 520, '09 Gary Fisher Triton, '04 Trek 8000, '85 Trek 500, '84 Trek 610, '85 Trek 510, '88 Trek 660, '92 Trek 930, Trek Multitrack 700
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Nice video, please share the rest.
__________________
"When I hear another express an opinion, which is not mine, I say to myself, He has a right to his opinion, as I to mine; why should I question it. His error does me no injury, and shall I become a Don Quixot to bring all men by force of argument, to one opinion? If a fact be misstated, it is probable he is gratified by a belief of it, and I have no right to deprive him of the gratification."
T. Jefferson
"When I hear another express an opinion, which is not mine, I say to myself, He has a right to his opinion, as I to mine; why should I question it. His error does me no injury, and shall I become a Don Quixot to bring all men by force of argument, to one opinion? If a fact be misstated, it is probable he is gratified by a belief of it, and I have no right to deprive him of the gratification."
T. Jefferson
#52
Senior Member
If you are so concerned with your center of gravity, ride a recumbent. The most weight on a bike is your body, which is far above the rest of the bike. Never found the placement of bags higher to significantly impact handling, whether it be a backpack or frame bag or handlebar bag.
#53
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Golden, CO and Tucson, AZ
Posts: 2,835
Bikes: 2016 Fuji Tread, 1983 Trek 520
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 674 Post(s)
Liked 739 Times
in
430 Posts
I also wonder about the tradeoff on road bikes, since you need more, smaller bags. When I reduced my load to what will easily fit in two rear panniers, I looked at going rackless, but decided the cost was too high for the ounces saved, since I already had panniers. Access is easy with panniers, and I still have the capacity to haul large or bulky loads if needed. If I ever need to replace my panniers, I'll look at it again though.
#54
Senior Member
I think the genesis of rackless set-ups was for bikepackers with suspension bikes, and a need for a thinner profile on single track.
I also wonder about the tradeoff on road bikes, since you need more, smaller bags. When I reduced my load to what will easily fit in two rear panniers, I looked at going rackless, but decided the cost was too high for the ounces saved, since I already had panniers. Access is easy with panniers, and I still have the capacity to haul large or bulky loads if needed. If I ever need to replace my panniers, I'll look at it again though.
I also wonder about the tradeoff on road bikes, since you need more, smaller bags. When I reduced my load to what will easily fit in two rear panniers, I looked at going rackless, but decided the cost was too high for the ounces saved, since I already had panniers. Access is easy with panniers, and I still have the capacity to haul large or bulky loads if needed. If I ever need to replace my panniers, I'll look at it again though.
#55
Senior Member
Remember each bag will have a max of 10lbs of gear. I also find the effects are minimized with a transverse saddlebag because the weight is so close to the center of gravity....ie my butt. I find it hard to understand why putting 4 x panniers a long way from the center of gravity of the bike is an advantage if you like bike riding.
#57
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 110
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
* Frame bags let me use my commuting bike to tour. If I used panniers I'd need a new bike, and panniers. That's a grand, easy.
* I don't need that much storage. My frame bags aren't a compromise, they're all I need.
* More aero. I care about my speed more than most when I tour. I like doing 100-150 mile days, back to back even, but I don't want to be riding until midnight
I also make a point to put small, heavy items in the frame bag to minimize weight swinging behind my seat.
I don't want to get my center of gravity any higher than I can avoid, but with no more than 4.5lbs per bag its a complete non-issue. My bike, bags and gear weigh under 30lbs combined, it handles like a dream.
#58
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 110
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Thank you I'll get to editing the next day's videos. In the meantime here is one from another trip:
EDIT: Man....re-watching this video makes me really miss West Virginia. Such a gorgeous state!
EDIT: Man....re-watching this video makes me really miss West Virginia. Such a gorgeous state!
Last edited by sexy cyclist; 12-27-16 at 02:01 AM.
#59
Sunshine
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 16,605
Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo
Mentioned: 123 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10947 Post(s)
Liked 7,474 Times
in
4,181 Posts
Ah, welcome back BuffaloBuff! I couldnt figure out why the thread seemed so familiar until seeing this bike. The bragging, UL packing, and absurdly long back to back distances were all dejavu for a reason.
Well, at least your new online personality is less combative this time around. <---find the compliment in there if you want.
Well, at least your new online personality is less combative this time around. <---find the compliment in there if you want.
#60
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 20,433
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
Mentioned: 178 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5888 Post(s)
Liked 3,471 Times
in
2,079 Posts
Ah, welcome back BuffaloBuff! I couldnt figure out why the thread seemed so familiar until seeing this bike. The bragging, UL packing, and absurdly long back to back distances were all dejavu for a reason.
Well, at least your new online personality is less combative this time around. <---find the compliment in there if you want.
Well, at least your new online personality is less combative this time around. <---find the compliment in there if you want.
#61
Sunshine
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 16,605
Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo
Mentioned: 123 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10947 Post(s)
Liked 7,474 Times
in
4,181 Posts
ETA- I saw you mentioned you are building something up now...a go anywhere touring bike perhaps?
#62
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 110
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Ah, welcome back BuffaloBuff! I couldnt figure out why the thread seemed so familiar until seeing this bike. The bragging, UL packing, and absurdly long back to back distances were all dejavu for a reason.
Well, at least your new online personality is less combative this time around. <---find the compliment in there if you want.
Well, at least your new online personality is less combative this time around. <---find the compliment in there if you want.
#63
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 20,433
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
Mentioned: 178 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5888 Post(s)
Liked 3,471 Times
in
2,079 Posts
Ha, full disclosure- If I could ride back to back 150mi days and rock a road bike with a 4" saddle to bar drop while needing only 8# of gear fully loaded, admittedly I probably would not be too humble either.
ETA- I saw you mentioned you are building something up now...a go anywhere touring bike perhaps?
ETA- I saw you mentioned you are building something up now...a go anywhere touring bike perhaps?
But yeah, a go anywhere touring bike sounds good as well. Maybe it's time to do some gravel road touring?
Now back to our readily scheduled buffalobuff programming . . . .
#64
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: San Diego
Posts: 702
Bikes: 1978 Bruce Gordon, 1977 Lippy, 199? Lippy tandem, Bike Friday NWT, 1982 Trek 720, 2012 Rivendell Atlantis, 1983 Bianchi Specialissima?
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 345 Post(s)
Liked 174 Times
in
106 Posts
Couple reasons.
* Frame bags let me use my commuting bike to tour. If I used panniers I'd need a new bike, and panniers. That's a grand, easy.
* I don't need that much storage. My frame bags aren't a compromise, they're all I need.
* More aero. I care about my speed more than most when I tour. I like doing 100-150 mile days, back to back even, but I don't want to be riding until midnight
I also make a point to put small, heavy items in the frame bag to minimize weight swinging behind my seat.
I don't want to get my center of gravity any higher than I can avoid, but with no more than 4.5lbs per bag its a complete non-issue. My bike, bags and gear weigh under 30lbs combined, it handles like a dream.
* Frame bags let me use my commuting bike to tour. If I used panniers I'd need a new bike, and panniers. That's a grand, easy.
* I don't need that much storage. My frame bags aren't a compromise, they're all I need.
* More aero. I care about my speed more than most when I tour. I like doing 100-150 mile days, back to back even, but I don't want to be riding until midnight
I also make a point to put small, heavy items in the frame bag to minimize weight swinging behind my seat.
I don't want to get my center of gravity any higher than I can avoid, but with no more than 4.5lbs per bag its a complete non-issue. My bike, bags and gear weigh under 30lbs combined, it handles like a dream.
#65
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Golden, CO and Tucson, AZ
Posts: 2,835
Bikes: 2016 Fuji Tread, 1983 Trek 520
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 674 Post(s)
Liked 739 Times
in
430 Posts
The tipping point depends on what you start with. One person starting with a vintage steel touring frame (me) will have a different result than one starting with a carbon fiber racing frame (the OP). I get where he's coming from, but it does not apply in my case.
#66
Banned.
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,077
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 760 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
The history of bikepacking vs panniers?
I've seen the photos of the pre WWI men with their single speeds and pretty much bikepacking gear. Then multispeed bicycles slowly developed.
But when did racks and panniers come into existence?
I've seen the photos of the pre WWI men with their single speeds and pretty much bikepacking gear. Then multispeed bicycles slowly developed.
But when did racks and panniers come into existence?
#67
Senior Member
You can buy bike bags at lots of price points....some people use drybags and racks and others use plastic shopping bags. My criterion for bike bags is convenience. I only want to have two and I want to be able to carry them onto a plane or train as hand luggage. I don't like the many small bags that often decorate bikepacking bikes. I avoid racks because of their added weight and because they make packing a bike into a box or a carrying case a real pain. Also once the rack is gone I can tour on just about any bike that I choose.
I might look at bikepacking saddlebags sometime, but the handlbar set ups don't interest me because I like a handlebar bag that can be quickly and easily mounted for carrying around towns.
#68
Senior Member
bikepacking for manlymen:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm...d=536837676385
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm...id=43653912407
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm...d=536837676385
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm...id=43653912407
#69
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Scandinaivia
Posts: 87
Bikes: Gavia Verona. Scott Sportster. Diamant Photon.
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
*Outdoor Research, Duct Tape Dry Bag 15L
*Ortlieb, Dry Bag PS490 22L
I am sure there are others out there too, but these are two examples of reasonably priced, good quality, bags.
#70
Senior Member
At best with the OP's cargo, weight wise, I can come to within two pounds, bike wise within 8.5 lb.
Brad
#71
BUT: Living in a bivy, eating raw food day-after-day, without a change of clothes is not appealing to me, especially on a months long tour. I don't care how many extra miles I can cover by shedding a dozen pounds.
PLUS: It does seem to me that many bike-packers are at least partial credit-carders: sleeping in hotels, hostels, and couch-surfing AND eating in restaurants & peoples' homes. Nothing wrong with this touring-style but I tend to like: camping-out AND cooking my own hot food, and being prepared to take an extra day or two in the back-country.
#72
Senior Member
WELL: My list from my last tour (11-days July 2016) had a base weight of 17 pounds. Yes that includes my panniers, a two-man tent, and a kitchen.
BUT: Living in a bivy, eating raw food day-after-day, without a change of clothes is not appealing to me, especially on a months long tour. I don't care how many extra miles I can cover by shedding a dozen pounds.
PLUS: It does seem to me that many bike-packers are at least partial credit-carders: sleeping in hotels, hostels, and couch-surfing AND eating in restaurants & peoples' homes. Nothing wrong with this touring-style but I tend to like: camping-out AND cooking my own hot food, and being prepared to take an extra day or two in the back-country.
BUT: Living in a bivy, eating raw food day-after-day, without a change of clothes is not appealing to me, especially on a months long tour. I don't care how many extra miles I can cover by shedding a dozen pounds.
PLUS: It does seem to me that many bike-packers are at least partial credit-carders: sleeping in hotels, hostels, and couch-surfing AND eating in restaurants & peoples' homes. Nothing wrong with this touring-style but I tend to like: camping-out AND cooking my own hot food, and being prepared to take an extra day or two in the back-country.
#74
Expired Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: TN
Posts: 11,507
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3657 Post(s)
Liked 5,393 Times
in
2,738 Posts
Ah, welcome back BuffaloBuff! I couldnt figure out why the thread seemed so familiar until seeing this bike. The bragging, UL packing, and absurdly long back to back distances were all dejavu for a reason.
Well, at least your new online personality is less combative this time around. <---find the compliment in there if you want.
Well, at least your new online personality is less combative this time around. <---find the compliment in there if you want.
#75
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 110
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
WELL: My list from my last tour (11-days July 2016) had a base weight of 17 pounds. Yes that includes my panniers, a two-man tent, and a kitchen.
BUT: Living in a bivy, eating raw food day-after-day, without a change of clothes is not appealing to me, especially on a months long tour. I don't care how many extra miles I can cover by shedding a dozen pounds.
PLUS: It does seem to me that many bike-packers are at least partial credit-carders: sleeping in hotels, hostels, and couch-surfing AND eating in restaurants & peoples' homes. Nothing wrong with this touring-style but I tend to like: camping-out AND cooking my own hot food, and being prepared to take an extra day or two in the back-country.
BUT: Living in a bivy, eating raw food day-after-day, without a change of clothes is not appealing to me, especially on a months long tour. I don't care how many extra miles I can cover by shedding a dozen pounds.
PLUS: It does seem to me that many bike-packers are at least partial credit-carders: sleeping in hotels, hostels, and couch-surfing AND eating in restaurants & peoples' homes. Nothing wrong with this touring-style but I tend to like: camping-out AND cooking my own hot food, and being prepared to take an extra day or two in the back-country.
I don't eat raw food every day. I always get warm food at some point.
I always have extra clothes as needed. In the winter I bring fewer clothes because I don't sweat much at all, in the summer I bring more. I never, ever cycle in funky clothes. That's how you get saddle sores.
I always camp on my tours.
I don't consider buying food to be credit card touring. I've never heard of anyone bringing all the food they need for their entire tour from day 1. Even if they did, there is no difference in my eyes between buying food with a credit card prior to leaving on a tour VS buying food when I stop for water with a credit card.
If its not for you that's fine, but why paint my style as something its not?
For me, bike touring is about riding a bicycle above all else, so I prioritize making that as enjoyable as I can. I'd rather bike another 20 miles than spend time in the morning lounging around in a tent cooking food. Nothing wrong with either approach, it just comes down to what you enjoy most as an individual.
Last edited by sexy cyclist; 01-01-17 at 09:43 AM.