Do you patch tubes?
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Yes. I have patched as many as 30 on a single tube. I use Rema TipTop exclusively. It’s the only patch kit that is more than just rubber cement. It has a two part chemistry that forms bonds rather than just a contact adhesive. Tubes usually die because the valve stem rips.
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I usually just put in a new tube. However, we have a Japanese Panasonic, electric assist bike, which is a family workhorse used for shopping and short commutes, it has 20" wheels with big tires, and a complicated rear rack, child carrier, and stand with a cable that locks the fork when the stand is used. Taking all this apart to change a tube is a royal pain, so whenever this bike gets a flat, I patch the tube without removing the wheel, tire, or tube.
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I use latex tubes and do patch them to save the environment. I really don't like tossing good stuff that can be fixed with a touch of elbow grease. If I get a flat, in goes a butyl tube until I get home. If the butyl tube flats, it would be patched on the side of the road but I flat maybe once in 3,000 miles, so, the chances of two flats on one ride is remote but it does happen. Only one of my bikes is tubeless, the others run tubes.
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I highly recommend carrying a Park GP-2 pre-glued patch kit. It takes no space in your saddle bag, and if you ever get two flats on a ride (it happens! Ask me how I know!), you won't be walking home, or making The Call Of Shame.
The patches are great to get you home - I once had to use THREE patches!
The patches are great to get you home - I once had to use THREE patches!
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For the past 3? Years my mtb has had 1 patch on each the front & rear tubes. At seasonal tire changeover I check them but they’ve been holding very well. Wish I can say I’ve had more flats & patches but that’s all I got
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I don't patch them. I replace them with new tubes. But I also don't toss out the old ones. As a a result, I have a pile of I don't know how many old punctured tubes sitting in my garage. I wonder if the local bike coop would like them as a donation. Maybe I should patch and reinstall, but it's easier to just get out a new tube.
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Yeah, I have a box for tubes to be patched. I wait for 4 or 5 tubes, a couple of years. (Even longer now, I'm riding way out of town on smooth roads with little traffic, so I'm riding in the right tire track on the lane. Debris is quickly kicked out by car tires. Flats are very rare. It's mostly pinch flats now, hitting large sharp gravel chunks that were kicked out onto the road that I didn't see.)
I use up a tube of glue, since opened tubes dry out quite soon.
It's faster / more efficient to patch more than one tube at a time.
I use a silver sharpie to draw a big target crosshair to the hole so I can center the patch easily.
I use real sandpaper, usually 120 or 100 grit. That cheap bit that comes in the patch kit isn't very effective.
The plastic box makes a good base for sanding the tube easily.
I do clamp the patch for an hour or so, "it might help".
I don't hesitate to run these patched tubes. I have an occasional slow leak failure, but that's maybe 5% of the tubes, and it shows up right away.
I use up a tube of glue, since opened tubes dry out quite soon.
It's faster / more efficient to patch more than one tube at a time.
I use a silver sharpie to draw a big target crosshair to the hole so I can center the patch easily.
I use real sandpaper, usually 120 or 100 grit. That cheap bit that comes in the patch kit isn't very effective.
The plastic box makes a good base for sanding the tube easily.
I do clamp the patch for an hour or so, "it might help".
I don't hesitate to run these patched tubes. I have an occasional slow leak failure, but that's maybe 5% of the tubes, and it shows up right away.
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I'm in goathead country. Before I began using tire liners I'd suffer 2-3 flats a year, so I patched and patched. After I started using tire liners I had a flat or to a year, if even that many. In fact, I remember replacing the tires on my 84 Nishiki and finding the front wheel had a couple of patches and the back had 7, but at that point it had been a couple years since I had a flat on that bike.
If the flat is due to a small puncture I'll still patch it and use it till an unpatatchable incident happens.
If the flat is due to a small puncture I'll still patch it and use it till an unpatatchable incident happens.
I'm just the opposite. I'd rather start on a new tube and keep a patched tube as my back-up. I do it just in case I pick up a piece of wire but don't find it. If I have a second flat, I'd rather it be in a tube I've already patched. For whatever sense that makes.
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You might consider installing wider, lower-pressure, puncture-resistant tires on a set of wheels and using those wheels for most of your training, if you can stand seeing a lower average speed. If you're mostly training by power, speed is irrelevant other than in races, anyway.
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I take the same approach wolfchild laid out above -- I like to patch in a clean controlled workroom. Then I carry one patched tube and one new one as spares. If a riding buddy or a stranger needs a tube, they get the patched one.
But honestly, I haven't seen a well patched tube fail -- they just seem to get punctured somewhere else, just like a new tube.
But honestly, I haven't seen a well patched tube fail -- they just seem to get punctured somewhere else, just like a new tube.
Yes. I have patched as many as 30 on a single tube. I use Rema TipTop exclusively. It’s the only patch kit that is more than just rubber cement. It has a two part chemistry that forms bonds rather than just a contact adhesive. Tubes usually die because the valve stem rips.
I use latex tubes and do patch them to save the environment. I really don't like tossing good stuff that can be fixed with a touch of elbow grease. If I get a flat, in goes a butyl tube until I get home. If the butyl tube flats, it would be patched on the side of the road but I flat maybe once in 3,000 miles, so, the chances of two flats on one ride is remote but it does happen. Only one of my bikes is tubeless, the others run tubes.
Yeah, I have a box for tubes to be patched. I wait for 4 or 5 tubes, a couple of years. (Even longer now, I'm riding way out of town on smooth roads with little traffic, so I'm riding in the right tire track on the lane. Debris is quickly kicked out by car tires. Flats are very rare. It's mostly pinch flats now, hitting large sharp gravel chunks that were kicked out onto the road that I didn't see.)
I use up a tube of glue, since opened tubes dry out quite soon.
It's faster / more efficient to patch more than one tube at a time.
I use a silver sharpie to draw a big target crosshair to the hole so I can center the patch easily.
I use real sandpaper, usually 120 or 100 grit. That cheap bit that comes in the patch kit isn't very effective.
The plastic box makes a good base for sanding the tube easily.
I do clamp the patch for an hour or so, "it might help".
I don't hesitate to run these patched tubes. I have an occasional slow leak failure, but that's maybe 5% of the tubes, and it shows up right away.
I use up a tube of glue, since opened tubes dry out quite soon.
It's faster / more efficient to patch more than one tube at a time.
I use a silver sharpie to draw a big target crosshair to the hole so I can center the patch easily.
I use real sandpaper, usually 120 or 100 grit. That cheap bit that comes in the patch kit isn't very effective.
The plastic box makes a good base for sanding the tube easily.
I do clamp the patch for an hour or so, "it might help".
I don't hesitate to run these patched tubes. I have an occasional slow leak failure, but that's maybe 5% of the tubes, and it shows up right away.
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You might consider installing wider, lower-pressure, puncture-resistant tires on a set of wheels and using those wheels for most of your training, if you can stand seeing a lower average speed. If you're mostly training by power, speed is irrelevant other than in races, anyway.
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Yes, multiple times. When tubes die, it's usually because I screw something up in a profound way, or they leak at the base of the Presta valve stem (Schrader stems seem more rugged). I've had fewer flats since I bought tubes that were not undersized for the tire. cyccommute has commented about this.
I carry one spare tube and a Rema patch kit. I now keep an additional spare tube and patch kit at work in case I notice a flat before I go home and can patch it during my lunch hour. I usually get one or two people to watch.
I carry one spare tube and a Rema patch kit. I now keep an additional spare tube and patch kit at work in case I notice a flat before I go home and can patch it during my lunch hour. I usually get one or two people to watch.
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I swap in a new tube on the road. I do carry a minimal patch kit in case of multiple punctures but haven't needed to use it.
Once I get back home I'll patch the punctured tube and reinstall it, which lets me know for sure that the patched tube is 100% good to go. It also puts the unpatched tube back into my bag for next time, still 'new'.
Once I get back home I'll patch the punctured tube and reinstall it, which lets me know for sure that the patched tube is 100% good to go. It also puts the unpatched tube back into my bag for next time, still 'new'.
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I prefer something similar - a controlled environment. I do need to carry the emergency patches, but as of right now I just swap out the tubes, bring home the punctured tube and patch it in my garage. Same experience too. Well patched seem to hold long enough to get a puncture somewhere else.
Jeez! 30 patches??? Personally, I don't like to do more than two, but three is my limit. But good for you.
So how do you patch a latex tube? Does it require it's own patch kit? I've heard latex tubes last longer and are nominally faster. To your experience, is this true?
Sounds very similar to my process. I have a can of that Slime brand rubber cement, but I prefer to use a Dremel with a sanding wheel to scuff my tube and the patch (which is just rubber from a previously failed tube). But I do mine a bit differently. Once I identify where my puncture is, I use chalk to draw a box centered around the puncture just a little bit bigger than my patch. Then I scuff inside the box with my sanding wheel and scuff my patch. Once I put the cement on and center my patch I put a weight on it (I have an old moped battery that works perfectly for this) and leave it like that overnight. I've had very few failures patching this way.
Jeez! 30 patches??? Personally, I don't like to do more than two, but three is my limit. But good for you.
So how do you patch a latex tube? Does it require it's own patch kit? I've heard latex tubes last longer and are nominally faster. To your experience, is this true?
Sounds very similar to my process. I have a can of that Slime brand rubber cement, but I prefer to use a Dremel with a sanding wheel to scuff my tube and the patch (which is just rubber from a previously failed tube). But I do mine a bit differently. Once I identify where my puncture is, I use chalk to draw a box centered around the puncture just a little bit bigger than my patch. Then I scuff inside the box with my sanding wheel and scuff my patch. Once I put the cement on and center my patch I put a weight on it (I have an old moped battery that works perfectly for this) and leave it like that overnight. I've had very few failures patching this way.
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I carry two tubes, so seldom patch on the road. My limit is 6 patches. Usually the valve's attachment to the tube fails before I get there. There's no fix I know of for that.
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On my tubed bike I carry a spare tube and a patch kit. If I flat, I put in the tube and patch the affected one at home and put it in rotation, with a 3 patch maximum.
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I was trading tires on my primary cruiser this evening as part of a test of some older tires, and the front tube had 3 patches. No big deal, because a properly-patched tube is as good as new. Right now with all the tubes I'm patching for nonprofits, I'm going through about one 100-count box of Rema patches every 6 months, along with the corresponding amount of Rema vulcanizing fluid.
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I don't mean just to get you home. I'm talking about patching a tube and then riding it as long as you can? If you do, what's your limit on patches? I've gotten pretty good at patching tubes. I generally will patch a tube twice before I won't trust it any more. On a couple of occasions I have gone to three patches but I reserve those tubes for emergencies, just to get me home.
I was on one trip were the group was going through so many tubes that patching was a necessity.
If it’s done correctly, the patches last a long time.
People don’t it because it’s more work and “mysterious”.
You want to be sure to sand the area being patched.
“Rubber cement” usually refers to the stuff you buy in art stores. You don’t want to use that.
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