ebgbz

I've seen a lacing pattern called "crow''s foot." It looks retro and sharp.
Is it an appropriate pattern for a 36 hole hub?
and...
Is it appropriate to have a 36 hole hub front and a 32 hole hub rear?

fietsbob

being divisible by 4, and 3, 36 is fine to do what is groups of 6 instead of 4.

they're your wheels you don't have to apply to the Polit Bureau , for permission, Comrade.

shadoman

Generally, you want the larger number of spokes in the rear, unless you're a curbslammer.

Jeff Wills

I would not lace a 36-spoke wheel crow's foot style. 1/3 of the spokes will be radial, which is asking for trouble on a 36-hole hub. There's less material in the flange, which means it's weaker, which means the radial spokes are more likely to break the flange.

I built a 36-spoke wheel crows-foot style on an old Shimano high-flange hub, and it worked great. Then I noticed fractures on the flange on the radial spokes. Took it all apart, replaced the hub, and relaced it conventionally.

ebgbz

I'm relieved about that...it is better to seek forgiveness than ask permission
Are there strength characteristics to the "crow's foot" pattern?

oldbobcat

The 32 won't work. 36 holes will give you six sets of three on each side. 32 gives you five sets of three with a remainder of 2. What do you make of that?

ebgbz

I'm a vicarious "curbslammer" but am interested in the visual balance front and rear. The rear hub is a SA 2 spd.and I was mistaken when I said 32 rear in the earlier post. Front and rear will have 36h.

ebgbz

What I make of it is that 36h will work numerically and geometrically! The question becomes then is that pattern functional for 36h hubs?

ebgbz

That makes technical sense...! Thanks for that!!
What is a "conventional pattern?"

canyoneagle

"crow's foot" is more about style than practicality - especially for the rear. It will not be as strong torsionally as a conventional cross-3 or cross 2 pattern (having 1/3 of the spokes radial), and the twisting of the crossing spokes can introduce stresses that straight spokes do not encounter.

Wil Davis

Not true: Here's one of mine:

Here's another:

32 is 8 sets of 4 each set = (1x radial, 1x trailing, 1x radial, 1x leading)

Here's a link to Wil's Wheels

HTH -
- Wil

JohnDThompson 

3 cross. FTW.

Jeff Wills

What he said.

pierce

I call those hipster wheels. doing it differently just because.

ebgbz

Hipster or not they have an interesting retro appeal and...doing things "JUST BECAUSE" seems valid!

ebgbz

Where would I find and example of what the 3 cross FTW pattern looked like?

orfitinho

https://www.rockx.net/cfw/cruisinn/spd10.htm

fietsbob

most 36 hole machine built for general cycling wheels

ebgbz

Now that's what I'm talkin' about! Thanks for that! even an old grouch like me can work that!

ThermionicScott 

pierce

I dunno, to me retro on bicycles means road bikes from 1960s/70s, and cruisers/3-speeds from the 40s/50s, and I sure never saw any crowsfoot/radial/etc stuff back then. 36H 3X or 4X, maybe 40H rear on a tandem or touring bike, that was about as extreme as it got. radial was used on old penny farthings, I don't think they'd figured out crosswise spoking yet.

Or, do you mean 'retro' in a steampunk kind of way, which is a retro that never existed ?

Monster Pete

3 leading/3 trailing looks good and can be laced using the same spokes as regular 3 cross. You just have to be careful when you're lacing it up to get the interlacing right between spokes, and to get the valve in a usable position.

fietsbob

the r & 1X combo looks crowded at the crossing point, maybe 2X with the r one in between better ..

Just, as said before, watch the radial spoke for pre pull through the flange , stress cracking.

ebgbz

...perhaps a bit out of historical context,but, beauty IS after all in the eye of the beer holder!
...sort of a steampunk kind of way but in a more industrial/modern steampunk!
Seriously though I do appreciate the divergent thoughts on wheel lacing. I learning a whole new vocabulary. My first reaction is to form and then function! Being a visual kind of guy, it has look good AND function good!

ebgbz

Please tell me what you just said! it sounds like the wrong pattern can cause structural problems! This is new to me and I'm learning the new vernacular as quickly as this old grouch can!
Thanks for the indulgence!