Steel Forks: All City Nature Boy vs Soma/Tange lugged
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Steel Forks: All City Nature Boy vs Soma/Tange lugged
Trying to decide on a steel fork for my Ritchey Breakaway. It's come down to the two in the title, and there aren't really many other options out there.
Someone told me that the All City was a lot heavier than the Soma/Tange Infinity fork, but I can't find listed weights. I believe that the All City fork is also Tange infinity, it just has a more decorative crown.
Opinions on either?
Someone told me that the All City was a lot heavier than the Soma/Tange Infinity fork, but I can't find listed weights. I believe that the All City fork is also Tange infinity, it just has a more decorative crown.
Opinions on either?
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At least one in the Single Speed/Fixed Gear forum has the Soma fork. It is very nice, a high end product. Tange Infinity is about as good as it gets.
I have a 3Rensho replica made by Tange, LC21 aero lug, butted tubes, 41 mm rake, 870 grams, 120 mm spacing. It is 27 mm JIS crown race seat and had to be milled down to 26.4 ISO.
https://alexscycle.com/collections/crmo-front-forks
I have a 3Rensho replica made by Tange, LC21 aero lug, butted tubes, 41 mm rake, 870 grams, 120 mm spacing. It is 27 mm JIS crown race seat and had to be milled down to 26.4 ISO.
https://alexscycle.com/collections/crmo-front-forks
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I can't see how a crown would add all that much weight. I would believe they went with thicker tubes
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Getting a cantilever fork, so not the Wolverine fork.
While I can't find listed weights, unverified Internet posts seem to place both forks at approximately 2 lbs, which makes sense if they are both comparably made Tange infinity forks.
While I can't find listed weights, unverified Internet posts seem to place both forks at approximately 2 lbs, which makes sense if they are both comparably made Tange infinity forks.
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But I suppose I could "mullet" my bike, and run a disc on the front...
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Trying to decide on a steel fork for my Ritchey Breakaway. It's come down to the two in the title, and there aren't really many other options out there.
Someone told me that the All City was a lot heavier than the Soma/Tange Infinity fork, but I can't find listed weights. I believe that the All City fork is also Tange infinity, it just has a more decorative crown.
Opinions on either?
Someone told me that the All City was a lot heavier than the Soma/Tange Infinity fork, but I can't find listed weights. I believe that the All City fork is also Tange infinity, it just has a more decorative crown.
Opinions on either?
Monster Cross Fork - Black Mountain Cycles
Curious- why change from the stock carbon fork to a cromo?
The Soma forks are really good quality and would be my second pick. Also, Soma isnt QBP, if it matters to you.
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Well, a while ago I replaced the Ritchey Comp fork with a WCS fork. The WCS fork is feather light, and really pretty, and has a lot of fork chatter. Plus the WCS fork can't run fenders.
The Comp carbon fork is barely lighter than a good steel fork, and its crown is a PITA for fender mounts anyway. Rather than reacquire a Comp fork, figured I'd look at a high end steel fork.
The Comp carbon fork is barely lighter than a good steel fork, and its crown is a PITA for fender mounts anyway. Rather than reacquire a Comp fork, figured I'd look at a high end steel fork.
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re: disc brake mullet - are you trying to say carbon forks with canti studs are a thing of the past?
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do you know if those snap on carbon fenders that enve make work for their older generation forks?
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I don't have active feelings one way or another on doing a "mullet", save for the fact that I have no plans or wants to build new wheels and buy new brakes right now.
There are some clip-on fender options, but they don't cover as well in the mucky times of year as some good PB Cascadias, plus that WCS fork can have some nasty brake chatter.
There are some clip-on fender options, but they don't cover as well in the mucky times of year as some good PB Cascadias, plus that WCS fork can have some nasty brake chatter.
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That's beside the point though, since I'm not going to do it. It only came up because someone above suggested disc brake forks, when I'm looking into cantilever forks. Specifically the two I mentioned in the title.
Of CF options, only the Whisky 7 is really appealing, but it's both hard to find, and expensive.
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https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...4&category=704
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FWIW - I replaced a Ritchey Comp carbon fork on my All City Macho - with the OEM steel fork. it actually improved the ride quality. I love the all city fork - and steel in general - only added about 1lb to the bike weight. I would never go back.
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I'd like to second the Black Mountain monster cross fork suggestion.
mstateglfr got it right
There is a fork from Black Mountain too. Gloss black. Pacenti PBP crown(killer!). Available in 50mm or 55mm offset. Can fit up to a 50mm tire. Curved fork blades.
Monster Cross Fork - Black Mountain Cycles
mstateglfr got it right
There is a fork from Black Mountain too. Gloss black. Pacenti PBP crown(killer!). Available in 50mm or 55mm offset. Can fit up to a 50mm tire. Curved fork blades.
Monster Cross Fork - Black Mountain Cycles
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If you're looking at a steel fork who cares how much it weighs, it's flipping heavy. Get the one that ticks the most boxes.
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I wouldn't fret too much about weight, but given two equal options, I would go for the lighter fork if it was using cantis. For a disc fork, I'm not so sure
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Trying to decide on a steel fork for my Ritchey Breakaway. It's come down to the two in the title, and there aren't really many other options out there.
Someone told me that the All City was a lot heavier than the Soma/Tange Infinity fork, but I can't find listed weights. I believe that the All City fork is also Tange infinity, it just has a more decorative crown.
Opinions on either?
Someone told me that the All City was a lot heavier than the Soma/Tange Infinity fork, but I can't find listed weights. I believe that the All City fork is also Tange infinity, it just has a more decorative crown.
Opinions on either?
Not sure about All City. Surly/Salsa/All City are QBP, and Soma is more or less Merry Sales. AFAIK, their frames (and Black Mountain as well) are made in Taiwan, probably by the same subcontractor (Maxway?). Material wise Surly "natch" and Tange Infinity are more or less Reynolds 520 chromoly. Tange Prestige is made of 753, which is heat treated 520. This allows to make it thinner, lighter and more aggressively butted. All City is at the high end of the QBP spectrum, and some of their frames are made of Reynolds 853, which is slightly stronger than 753. Maybe they have some higher end forks as well.
You want Cantilever steel? This Tange Prestige is lighter than Tange Infinity:
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...4&category=704
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...4&category=704
If you are getting Tange get Prestige over Infinity.
Edit: Nature Boy fork is "Full 4130 High Quality Chromoly" according to All City. Tange Prestige is better than All City fork as well.
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There was a thread about different Reynolds steel alloys here, https://www.bikeforums.net/hybrid-bi...lds-steel.html.
Elastic modulus of different steel alloys is more or less the same (tube of the same geometry will bend the same amount under equal stress), but tensile strength is different (tube of the same geometry made from a stronger alloy can be stressed more without breaking).
Some of the All-City bikes use Reynolds 853, which is stronger than Reynolds 725 (heat treated 4130). The All-City Nature Boy fork specs say it is 4130 and say nothing about the heat treatment. That is why I assumed it was similar to Tange Infinity.
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I have a Tange Infinity fork which is a part of the Double Cross frameset. Great fork.
Not sure about All City. Surly/Salsa/All City are QBP, and Soma is more or less Merry Sales. AFAIK, their frames (and Black Mountain as well) are made in Taiwan, probably by the same subcontractor (Maxway?). Material wise Surly "natch" and Tange Infinity are more or less Reynolds 520 chromoly. Tange Prestige is made of 753, which is heat treated 520. This allows to make it thinner, lighter and more aggressively butted. All City is at the high end of the QBP spectrum, and some of their frames are made of Reynolds 853, which is slightly stronger than 753. Maybe they have some higher end forks as well.
Not sure about All City. Surly/Salsa/All City are QBP, and Soma is more or less Merry Sales. AFAIK, their frames (and Black Mountain as well) are made in Taiwan, probably by the same subcontractor (Maxway?). Material wise Surly "natch" and Tange Infinity are more or less Reynolds 520 chromoly. Tange Prestige is made of 753, which is heat treated 520. This allows to make it thinner, lighter and more aggressively butted. All City is at the high end of the QBP spectrum, and some of their frames are made of Reynolds 853, which is slightly stronger than 753. Maybe they have some higher end forks as well.