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Old 01-17-19, 12:07 PM
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"Future proof" wheels (TA vs. QR)

I'm thinking of getting new wheels. Bike has QR skewers, but since the industry is moving to thru axles, wouldn't it be a good idea to get TA wheels and use adapters to use QRs now?

Any downsides to this approach?

And I suppose a 15mm front TA hub and a 12mm rear TA hub would provide the most adaptability going forward - true?
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TA vs. QR is the new best frame material.

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We might be using "road super boost plus" in a few years so make sure your hub is boost convertible.
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Self analysis.. Who Are You?

Are you easily drawn into the latest Industry driven , marketing trend? Or, would be perfectly happy hanging out with The C&V Eroica crowd..?

It's up to you...

As Yogi Berra said "when you come to a Fork in the Road, Take it "






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Old 01-17-19, 12:33 PM
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If you are talking road, then 12mm f/r would be best. I think they will stick with 12mm. 12mm rear on a QR bike is a bit of a problem, you would need a convertible hub. Lots of hubs are convertible though.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
Are you easily drawn into the latest Industry driven , marketing trend?
No. The thinking is, in 5 or so years, if I decide to get a new frame, I'll have more options.
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Originally Posted by Elvo
We might be using "road super boost plus" in a few years so make sure your hub is boost convertible.
Oh boy. It never ends.
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No. The thinking is, in 5 or so years, if I decide to get a new frame, I'll have more options.
Builders still make very nice steel frames & forks , by hand ... I doubt that will go away... Plus, there is sticking with the classic period..




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Originally Posted by unterhausen
If you are talking road, then 12mm f/r would be best. I think they will stick with 12mm. 12mm rear on a QR bike is a bit of a problem, you would need a convertible hub. Lots of hubs are convertible though.
A convertible hub would be nice.
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Rohloff? https://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/ they modify for TA 142, 148, (XL shell) 177 & 197..

whole hub internals Assembled around a different core than the TS or CC..








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Originally Posted by fietsbob
Builders still make very nice steel frames & forks , by hand ... I doubt that will go away... Plus, there is sticking with the classic period..



That is an awesome picture. I've been hankering for a nice vintage.
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It depends. I like the TA with QR. If you know what you want, just get it, but I assume you wouldn't be posting.
Main issue is width. The TA (rear) is generally not going to fit well in a std road bike.

For the tandem I bought a 142 TA powertap, then am making and adapter for 145. I expect it will work fine.
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Both my bike's axels are NUTTY. They will last a long time, if not the rest of my like. Rohloff rules the heavyweights, QR ? Pffft
Sturmey Archer hubs ongoing since 1903. DeFailleurs SUCK.
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I can't help with your decision, but 5 years is a long time. Perhaps you could get an interim set of wheels to hold you over until you do decide to get a new bike. And in 5 years you will know for sure which direction the industry has taken.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius
I can't help with your decision, but 5 years is a long time. Perhaps you could get an interim set of wheels to hold you over until you do decide to get a new bike. And in 5 years you will know for sure which direction the industry has taken.
What I'm looking for is to not make a decision, but to get hubs that can be adapted to either skewers or TAs.

It seems like there are all kinds of adapters out there, and I don't quite understand the landscape. My naive thinking is that if I get hubs with the biggest holes (15mm TA front, 12mm TA rear), I can get adapters to use 9mm skewers (needed for current bike), and I could also get an adapter to adapt the 15mm front hub to 12mm, if needed.

So I want to know if the part underlined above is possible and if there any problems with it.
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the QR is not going away in 5 years and As I'm seeing ..... way up the coast from you and where I did Navy Boot camp.. [50+ years ago]

the rear of TA Frames are trending wider and wider and that may present a problem if you insist on buying the trend setting marketing driven performance focused bikes

utility bikes likely will not change ..
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
the rear of TA Frames are trending wider and wider
Yeah that's an issue too.
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the reason I suggested going with 12mm for road is that 12mm forks will not always take a 15mm hub. 15mm road forks will probably still be around, but 12mm are going to be more common. I think you should look for convertible hubs.
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There is no such thing as future-proof. I would get hubs that fit my frame. That would give me an excuse to get a new wheelset in 5 years. I always think I'm going to be able to reuse parts later, then just end up buying new parts anyway for one reason or another.
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Look into DT swiss wheels they have adapters for pretty much whatever spacing/release you want and are reasonably priced. Is your current setup disc brake or the other kind? Disc brakes have pretty much taken over the market and in five years probably more so.
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I think from TA you can always convert to QR with adapters but not the other way around. I have a two year old set of Mavic Ksyrium Disc wheels that came QR along with adapters for TA for the front. I wanted to swap the wheels to my TA road bike so emailed Mavic for the kit part number to convert the rear and they told me its not convertible. I think most of the road wheel set today are probably convertible front and rear just make sure before yo buy.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
TA vs. QR is the new best frame material.

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Pretty much. I keep thinking of it as the solution to a problem I don't have. Others may differ.
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Originally Posted by kingston
There is no such thing as future-proof. I would get hubs that fit my frame. That would give me an excuse to get a new wheelset in 5 years. I always think I'm going to be able to reuse parts later, then just end up buying new parts anyway for one reason or another.
Well, there are (future-proof) and will be for a long time. Custom frames. All my bikes are frames purchased used (and made several decades ago) or custom. the 130 QR standard will work for me the rest of my life. (I'm not very worried that 126 and 120 will disappear either.)

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Originally Posted by koolerb
I think from TA you can always convert to QR with adapters but not the other way around.
Yes, that's the plan: get TA hubs and get adapters like this to use with the current QR frame:




https://www.amazon.com/VeloFuze-Cycl.../dp/B00IQG6JNM

Seems much more economical than going with the DT Swiss convertible hubs. So my question is: is there a downside to this approach?
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Old 01-20-19, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tyrion
...is there a downside to this approach?
I assume it would be heavier and/or more expensive than the equivalent QR hub.
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