Jean Paul Routens
05-22-15, 03:45 AM
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Jean Paul Routens
Hi!
Iīve been offered to buy a Jean Paul Routens. I donīt know anything about these bikes, never seen one before.
I kind of like the color scheme and it seems to be about my size.
The price is $425. Is it a good deal?
Columbus SLX new tubing. No pedals.
parts:
gear handles Campagnolo Athena
Brakes Campagnolo Athena
Carnkset Campagnolo Athena
Seatpost Campagnolo Athena
back derailer Campagnolo Veloce
front derailerCampagnolo Record
Selle Italia flite kevlar saddle
Vittoria Rubin Pro tires
Iīve been offered to buy a Jean Paul Routens. I donīt know anything about these bikes, never seen one before.
I kind of like the color scheme and it seems to be about my size.
The price is $425. Is it a good deal?
Columbus SLX new tubing. No pedals.
parts:
gear handles Campagnolo Athena
Brakes Campagnolo Athena
Carnkset Campagnolo Athena
Seatpost Campagnolo Athena
back derailer Campagnolo Veloce
front derailerCampagnolo Record
Selle Italia flite kevlar saddle
Vittoria Rubin Pro tires
05-22-15, 03:53 AM
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I have bought lots and lots of vintage bicycles and I would pay $425.00 for that bicycle in a heart beat. It is not a smoking deal but a decent price for a more than decent bicycle.
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05-22-15, 05:37 AM
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Jean Paul Routens is the son of Jo Routens the famous constructeur from Grenoble in France. He continues to be a builder and bike shop owner. He expanded from the hand made fillet brazed custom work of his father's time into lugged and lower spec price points as wll as into components like the JPR seatpost. The bike you are looking at seems to have the fillet brazed construction his father popularized and therefore should be a very good high end product and value at the price it is offered. If it is a good fit, it should be a good choice.
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As noted by bertinjim, JPR was the son of Jo Routens. Many of his frames apparently were built out of house and labelled Routens. Some think that even after JPR took over his father's business, that the early frames were still being built by him (JR) though they were badged "Routens". This frame post-dates JR's death.
Many "Routens" frames seem to have been of good quality, but, I don't think, after his father's death, they would be regarded up to the level of his father's reputation (who is often mentioned in the same sentence as Singer and Herse). I would think that if it is filet brazed (JR's signature method) this frame would be considered among the best JPR produced and may not be a contract frame. I have never seen a photo of JPR frame that was filet brazed, they all have had lugs.
Judging from the photo I can't tell whether it is filet brazed or not, but I do think it likely to be one of the better JPR bikes. $425 is a good price and may be a bargain. I wouldn't be surprised if it is worth 2-3 times that.
Hope this helps.
r
Many "Routens" frames seem to have been of good quality, but, I don't think, after his father's death, they would be regarded up to the level of his father's reputation (who is often mentioned in the same sentence as Singer and Herse). I would think that if it is filet brazed (JR's signature method) this frame would be considered among the best JPR produced and may not be a contract frame. I have never seen a photo of JPR frame that was filet brazed, they all have had lugs.
Judging from the photo I can't tell whether it is filet brazed or not, but I do think it likely to be one of the better JPR bikes. $425 is a good price and may be a bargain. I wouldn't be surprised if it is worth 2-3 times that.
Hope this helps.
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05-23-15, 09:07 AM
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I have bought lots and lots of vintage bicycles and I would pay $425.00 for that bicycle in a heart beat. It is not a smoking deal but a decent price for a more than decent bicycle.
Jean Paul Routens is the son of Jo Routens the famous constructeur from Grenoble in France. He continues to be a builder and bike shop owner. He expanded from the hand made fillet brazed custom work of his father's time into lugged and lower spec price points as wll as into components like the JPR seatpost. The bike you are looking at seems to have the fillet brazed construction his father popularized and therefore should be a very good high end product and value at the price it is offered. If it is a good fit, it should be a good choice.
As noted by bertinjim, JPR was the son of Jo Routens. Many of his frames apparently were built out of house and labelled Routens. Some think that even after JPR took over his father's business, that the early frames were still being built by him (JR) though they were badged "Routens". This frame post-dates JR's death.
Many "Routens" frames seem to have been of good quality, but, I don't think, after his father's death, they would be regarded up to the level of his father's reputation (who is often mentioned in the same sentence as Singer and Herse). I would think that if it is filet brazed (JR's signature method) this frame would be considered among the best JPR produced and may not be a contract frame. I have never seen a photo of JPR frame that was filet brazed, they all have had lugs.
Judging from the photo I can't tell whether it is filet brazed or not, but I do think it likely to be one of the better JPR bikes. $425 is a good price and may be a bargain. I wouldn't be surprised if it is worth 2-3 times that.
Hope this helps.
r
Many "Routens" frames seem to have been of good quality, but, I don't think, after his father's death, they would be regarded up to the level of his father's reputation (who is often mentioned in the same sentence as Singer and Herse). I would think that if it is filet brazed (JR's signature method) this frame would be considered among the best JPR produced and may not be a contract frame. I have never seen a photo of JPR frame that was filet brazed, they all have had lugs.
Judging from the photo I can't tell whether it is filet brazed or not, but I do think it likely to be one of the better JPR bikes. $425 is a good price and may be a bargain. I wouldn't be surprised if it is worth 2-3 times that.
Hope this helps.
r
I really appreciate the help!
Seems like this bike could be a nice deal, I havenīt been able to see the bike for real yet, will go there on Monday and take it for a spin.
raymond1354: The seller states that the frame is fillet brazed, so it sure sounds like an early JPR bike then. When do you reckon this bike is from?
Would you mind linking the bikes you found on Flickr? I found a blue one thatīs looks similar to this one, is it one of them?
I donīt know if Iīm bad at using google, but I haveīt really found much info about these bikes...
Once again, thanks!
05-23-15, 01:37 PM
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=jp+ro...30%3B940%3B532
The above link has all kinds of Routens. On the first row to the far left a "contract" bike with lugs. the weird blurred out one is similar to that which you showed (brazed). To the far a 60's or 70's bike maybe made by JPR maybe JR. On the rest of the page are all kinds including a couple of Hugonnier-Routens from the late 40's. I think the bike you're looking at is from the 90's well after Jo Routens died, but I still think it is a very good bike.
This is a filet brazed track bike: https://www.flickr.com/photos/311797...n/photostream/
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The above link has all kinds of Routens. On the first row to the far left a "contract" bike with lugs. the weird blurred out one is similar to that which you showed (brazed). To the far a 60's or 70's bike maybe made by JPR maybe JR. On the rest of the page are all kinds including a couple of Hugonnier-Routens from the late 40's. I think the bike you're looking at is from the 90's well after Jo Routens died, but I still think it is a very good bike.
This is a filet brazed track bike: https://www.flickr.com/photos/311797...n/photostream/
r
05-23-15, 01:44 PM
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I think it is a pretty good deal provided it is your size. That is a huge frame set with fairly aggressive geometry for a rider around 6'4" +.
05-23-15, 02:00 PM
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This is closer to "yours" but with cantis: https://www.flickr.com/photos/311797...n/photostream/
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p.s. It is a real art and time consuming to find this stuff. A lot about Routens is at Tonton velo, but it is in French and mostly about older Jo Routens
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p.s. It is a real art and time consuming to find this stuff. A lot about Routens is at Tonton velo, but it is in French and mostly about older Jo Routens
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=jp+ro...30%3B940%3B532
The above link has all kinds of Routens. On the first row to the far left a "contract" bike with lugs. the weird blurred out one is similar to that which you showed (brazed). To the far a 60's or 70's bike maybe made by JPR maybe JR. On the rest of the page are all kinds including a couple of Hugonnier-Routens from the late 40's. I think the bike you're looking at is from the 90's well after Jo Routens died, but I still think it is a very good bike.
This is a filet brazed track bike
r
The above link has all kinds of Routens. On the first row to the far left a "contract" bike with lugs. the weird blurred out one is similar to that which you showed (brazed). To the far a 60's or 70's bike maybe made by JPR maybe JR. On the rest of the page are all kinds including a couple of Hugonnier-Routens from the late 40's. I think the bike you're looking at is from the 90's well after Jo Routens died, but I still think it is a very good bike.
This is a filet brazed track bike
r
05-23-15, 03:30 PM
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=jp+ro...30%3B940%3B532
The above link has all kinds of Routens. On the first row to the far left a "contract" bike with lugs. the weird blurred out one is similar to that which you showed (brazed). To the far a 60's or 70's bike maybe made by JPR maybe JR. On the rest of the page are all kinds including a couple of Hugonnier-Routens from the late 40's. I think the bike you're looking at is from the 90's well after Jo Routens died, but I still think it is a very good bike.
This is a filet brazed track bike: https://www.flickr.com/photos/311797...n/photostream/
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The above link has all kinds of Routens. On the first row to the far left a "contract" bike with lugs. the weird blurred out one is similar to that which you showed (brazed). To the far a 60's or 70's bike maybe made by JPR maybe JR. On the rest of the page are all kinds including a couple of Hugonnier-Routens from the late 40's. I think the bike you're looking at is from the 90's well after Jo Routens died, but I still think it is a very good bike.
This is a filet brazed track bike: https://www.flickr.com/photos/311797...n/photostream/
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raymond1354: Thanks! Iīll dig into that forum.
zukahn1: Iīm 6'2" Hm, you think it might be to big for me?
According to the seller it measures:
C/C TopTube = 580mm
C/C SeatTube = 605mm
Headtube = 185 mm
The bike Iīm currently riding, a Nishiki Olympic Royal (see attached photo), measures:
56 / 62 / 200
I have no problem riding this.
However, I realize now that the JPR is much longer, do you think thatīll cause me any problems?
05-24-15, 09:59 AM
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Well by those measurements it should be fine it does look bigger than that in the pics like a 62-64mm. I have found it hard to get good sizing fit info guidence from most sellers. The bike is definetly worth checking out in person to see how it fits would sell for a couple hundred more than asking price easy if it was a medium size.
