2019 Masi Giramondo.
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2019 Masi Giramondo.
Info for most 2019 touring bikes seems to be out now. I really like the Giramondo. Upgrading the brakes to TRP Spyre is a major improvement, but I'm a little disappointed it still has mediocre 32-hole wheels, and the wide tires seem more well-suited for off-road rather than all around touring.
Overall though it seems like a very good touring bike and offers great value for the price:
https://masibikes.com/collections/ad...ondo-700c-2019
Overall though it seems like a very good touring bike and offers great value for the price:
https://masibikes.com/collections/ad...ondo-700c-2019
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What makes the wheels mediocre?
I know nothing about the rims and they don't mention the hubs or spokes.
not sure what makes them mediocre as the description seems incomplete to me.
looks like a solid bike for the price. Really similar to last year's REI coop adv 3.1 when it was still 700c wheels and a 3x crank.
I know nothing about the rims and they don't mention the hubs or spokes.
not sure what makes them mediocre as the description seems incomplete to me.
looks like a solid bike for the price. Really similar to last year's REI coop adv 3.1 when it was still 700c wheels and a 3x crank.
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What makes the wheels mediocre?
I k is nothing about the rims and they don't mention the hubs or spokes.
not sure what makes them mediocre as the description seems incomplete to me.
looks like a solid bike for the price. Really similar to last year's REI coop adv 3.1 when it was still 700c wheels and a 3x crank.
I k is nothing about the rims and they don't mention the hubs or spokes.
not sure what makes them mediocre as the description seems incomplete to me.
looks like a solid bike for the price. Really similar to last year's REI coop adv 3.1 when it was still 700c wheels and a 3x crank.
That they neglect to mention a few details about the components indicates they're probably mediocre. I'm not saying it's a bad bike or anything (again, it's a great value), and if you won't be touring right away it'd be a top contender, but right now I'd be more inclined to get a Kona Sutra because it's better spec'd.
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They're mediocre because they weigh so much but do not provide any additional strength compared to a lighter, more well-designed set. About par for the course, most stock wheels are poorly designed to meet pricepoint.
The 650b version of that wheelset weighed in at 1160 grams for the front wheel and 1360 gram for the rear - 5.5 pounds. I would expect the 700c version to be at least 150 grams heavier.
The 650b version of that wheelset weighed in at 1160 grams for the front wheel and 1360 gram for the rear - 5.5 pounds. I would expect the 700c version to be at least 150 grams heavier.
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They're mediocre because they weigh so much but do not provide any additional strength compared to a lighter, more well-designed set. About par for the course, most stock wheels are poorly designed to meet pricepoint.
The 650b version of that wheelset weighed in at 1160 grams for the front wheel and 1360 gram for the rear - 2.56 pounds. I would expect the 700c version to be at least 150 grams heavier.
The 650b version of that wheelset weighed in at 1160 grams for the front wheel and 1360 gram for the rear - 2.56 pounds. I would expect the 700c version to be at least 150 grams heavier.
They should have upgraded the wheels and added another $100 to the price. With better wheels it would cost about $1500 and wouldn't need any major upgrades. I'm considering the Giramondo and the Kona Sutra. Right now I'm more inclined towards the Sutra because it's pretty much ready as stocked. While the cranks are a bit too large for touring (the gearing on the Giramondo is better for touring IMO), they're fine for all-around riding.
I think both bikes are fine to start out with as general-purpose bikes. The Giramondo needs a better wheel-set for touring and the Sutra needs smaller chain-rings (cheaper and easier to replace than a new wheel-set), so I guess it boils down to intent and preferences.
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Still not sure what makes the wheelset mediocre. Ive since learned that the rims are heavy. Ok...but thst doesnt make for a mediocre wheelset. And yes the bike has 32mm spokes, but at face value thst also doesny make for a mediocre wheelset.
not looking to argue, just not sure why thsts a glaring weakness compared to all other bikes in this price point.
I would properly tension and true any wheelset in this price range since they will all be machine built and were selected to meet a price point instead of selected for quality and performance.
the Sutra wheels have 36 spokes, but otherwise are just plain guage spokes and generic formula hubs laced to a 500+g rim.
I dont even know how one looks up the weight of the Masi rim as its basically unlabeled. Brev m is just the in-house Masi brand. Anyone have a link to the rims?
anyways, I'm sure the masi wheels would need to be worked on by a competent wheelbuilder. But once thsts done, a 32h wheel which is properly tensioned and true would most likely be fine for 85% of people buying that bike.
its already been mentioned that wheelsets are a common place to skimp in order to meet a price point. Any wheels that are machine built with 500ish gram rims, generic hubs, and straight spokes is in the same boat for me. I don't really parse quality past that.
cool talk.
not looking to argue, just not sure why thsts a glaring weakness compared to all other bikes in this price point.
I would properly tension and true any wheelset in this price range since they will all be machine built and were selected to meet a price point instead of selected for quality and performance.
the Sutra wheels have 36 spokes, but otherwise are just plain guage spokes and generic formula hubs laced to a 500+g rim.
I dont even know how one looks up the weight of the Masi rim as its basically unlabeled. Brev m is just the in-house Masi brand. Anyone have a link to the rims?
anyways, I'm sure the masi wheels would need to be worked on by a competent wheelbuilder. But once thsts done, a 32h wheel which is properly tensioned and true would most likely be fine for 85% of people buying that bike.
its already been mentioned that wheelsets are a common place to skimp in order to meet a price point. Any wheels that are machine built with 500ish gram rims, generic hubs, and straight spokes is in the same boat for me. I don't really parse quality past that.
cool talk.
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Info for most 2019 touring bikes seems to be out now. I really like the Giramondo. Upgrading the brakes to TRP Spyre is a major improvement, but I'm a little disappointed it still has mediocre 32-hole wheels, and the wide tires seem more well-suited for off-road rather than all around touring.
Overall though it seems like a very good touring bike and offers great value for the price:
https://masibikes.com/collections/ad...ondo-700c-2019
Overall though it seems like a very good touring bike and offers great value for the price:
https://masibikes.com/collections/ad...ondo-700c-2019
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different speeds, shifters, front derailleurs, rear derailleurs, hubs, rims, cranksets, brakes, brake levers, handlebars, tires, stems, seatposts, cassettes, and more.
this doesnt even address the visual geometry differences...which are significant.
These aren't even close to looking like the same bike.
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Still not sure what makes the wheelset mediocre. Ive since learned that the rims are heavy. Ok...but thst doesnt make for a mediocre wheelset. And yes the bike has 32mm spokes, but at face value thst also doesny make for a mediocre wheelset.
not looking to argue, just not sure why thsts a glaring weakness compared to all other bikes in this price point.
I would properly tension and true any wheelset in this price range since they will all be machine built and were selected to meet a price point instead of selected for quality and performance.
the Sutra wheels have 36 spokes, but otherwise are just plain guage spokes and generic formula hubs laced to a 500+g rim.
not looking to argue, just not sure why thsts a glaring weakness compared to all other bikes in this price point.
I would properly tension and true any wheelset in this price range since they will all be machine built and were selected to meet a price point instead of selected for quality and performance.
the Sutra wheels have 36 spokes, but otherwise are just plain guage spokes and generic formula hubs laced to a 500+g rim.
Once broken in 36 spoke wheels seldom need truing unless they undergo arduous conditions. While not top of the line the Sutra wheels are definitely better.
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same bike?
different speeds, shifters, front derailleurs, rear derailleurs, hubs, rims, cranksets, brakes, brake levers, handlebars, tires, stems, seatposts, cassettes, and more.
this doesnt even address the visual geometry differences...which are significant.
These aren't even close to looking like the same bike.
different speeds, shifters, front derailleurs, rear derailleurs, hubs, rims, cranksets, brakes, brake levers, handlebars, tires, stems, seatposts, cassettes, and more.
this doesnt even address the visual geometry differences...which are significant.
These aren't even close to looking like the same bike.
The Giramondo has a longer wheel-base and a higher bottom bracket, so it has more clearance but is probably less nimble The Giramondo is more well-suited for unpaved roads and off-road type riding while the Marrakesh is better for roads (both paved and not) and a dedicated touring bike.
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Generic Formula hubs? You don't know much about hubs do you? While not top of the line, the Formula hubs on the Sutra are among the best in their price-range. They're reliable and perform very well. The Giramondo description doesn't even mention the hubs: we don't know what they are, if they're TA or QR, so if anything the Giramondo seems to have generic no-name hubs.
Once broken in 36 spoke wheels seldom need truing unless they undergo arduous conditions. While not top of the line the Sutra wheels are definitely better.
Once broken in 36 spoke wheels seldom need truing unless they undergo arduous conditions. While not top of the line the Sutra wheels are definitely better.
2- I have no idea what type of formula hubs are on the bike. It's because the type isnt specified. You say they perform well and are among the best in their price range...but I have no idea how that can be known from the bike page.
they may be awesome, but when the model/details arent listed, they are labeled as generic because there are no specifics.
3- the giramondo hubs are absolutely generic. For sure. They are QR based on the picture, for what its worth.
4- this is way more disagreeing thst I planned to due today and this spent up all my theoretical arguing for the next week.
32h wheels thst are well built should be perfectly fine for most all riding the giramondo will ever see. Overspeccing and overbuilding is often complained about and when a company doesnt overbuild or overspec, there is complaining.
damned either way as you can't please everyone. Stock builds that work for the super majority of riding is typically a smart decision.
I'm out on this.
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4- this is way more disagreeing thst I planned to due today and this spent up all my theoretical arguing for the next week.
32h wheels thst are well built should be perfectly fine for most all riding the giramondo will ever see. Overspeccing and overbuilding is often complained about and when a company doesnt overbuild or overspec, there is complaining.
damned either way as you can't please everyone. Stock builds that work for the super majority of riding is typically a smart decision.
32h wheels thst are well built should be perfectly fine for most all riding the giramondo will ever see. Overspeccing and overbuilding is often complained about and when a company doesnt overbuild or overspec, there is complaining.
damned either way as you can't please everyone. Stock builds that work for the super majority of riding is typically a smart decision.
You're right about the Formula hubs being unspecified, but they don't make many 36-h options, unless Kona switch to 32-h, which would make me look and feel pretty stupid.
Hmm... I just compared the 700c and 27.5 versions of the Giramondo. The 27.5 version doesn't include racks, but it's only $50 less. It seems to have significantly better tires, but other than that the two models seem to be spec'd the same. Considering it doesn't have racks, I wonder why the 27.5 is essentially the same price? Are the tires really that much better/more expensive?
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I know I’m late to the party here but I should *weigh* in on this.
as an owner of a -17 Giramondo AND now a -17 Giramondo 650, I can say for certain the stock wheels on the 700c are inadequate. Granted, I’m a Clyde, but mine popped spokes within 30 days. I spent just under 400 for a pair of machine built mavic rims, eyeletted, 36 hole dt spoked, deore hubbed wheels. I loaded the bike over 300 lbs for a short tour and no wheel issues at all. The frame is a bit noodley, but still a solid descender.
The 650 are tubeless ready so that’s a plus. Also, mine came equipped with 2.1 kenda slant sixes. (Insert cuss rant here) . I just went tubeless wtb resolute 42mm. And it’s fast again!
I’ll let you know of any unexpected wheel issues but I’m not anticipating any at this point. HTH!
as an owner of a -17 Giramondo AND now a -17 Giramondo 650, I can say for certain the stock wheels on the 700c are inadequate. Granted, I’m a Clyde, but mine popped spokes within 30 days. I spent just under 400 for a pair of machine built mavic rims, eyeletted, 36 hole dt spoked, deore hubbed wheels. I loaded the bike over 300 lbs for a short tour and no wheel issues at all. The frame is a bit noodley, but still a solid descender.
The 650 are tubeless ready so that’s a plus. Also, mine came equipped with 2.1 kenda slant sixes. (Insert cuss rant here) . I just went tubeless wtb resolute 42mm. And it’s fast again!
I’ll let you know of any unexpected wheel issues but I’m not anticipating any at this point. HTH!
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I know I’m late to the party here but I should *weigh* in on this.
as an owner of a -17 Giramondo AND now a -17 Giramondo 650, I can say for certain the stock wheels on the 700c are inadequate. Granted, I’m a Clyde, but mine popped spokes within 30 days. I spent just under 400 for a pair of machine built mavic rims, eyeletted, 36 hole dt spoked, deore hubbed wheels. I loaded the bike over 300 lbs for a short tour and no wheel issues at all. The frame is a bit noodley, but still a solid descender.
The 650 are tubeless ready so that’s a plus. Also, mine came equipped with 2.1 kenda slant sixes. (Insert cuss rant here) . I just went tubeless wtb resolute 42mm. And it’s fast again!
I’ll let you know of any unexpected wheel issues but I’m not anticipating any at this point. HTH!
as an owner of a -17 Giramondo AND now a -17 Giramondo 650, I can say for certain the stock wheels on the 700c are inadequate. Granted, I’m a Clyde, but mine popped spokes within 30 days. I spent just under 400 for a pair of machine built mavic rims, eyeletted, 36 hole dt spoked, deore hubbed wheels. I loaded the bike over 300 lbs for a short tour and no wheel issues at all. The frame is a bit noodley, but still a solid descender.
The 650 are tubeless ready so that’s a plus. Also, mine came equipped with 2.1 kenda slant sixes. (Insert cuss rant here) . I just went tubeless wtb resolute 42mm. And it’s fast again!
I’ll let you know of any unexpected wheel issues but I’m not anticipating any at this point. HTH!
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Yes that included my 250 lb butt. Still, I was well over the three hundred mark. Trek has a 275 limit on all their bikes. 275. For the 920. Pfff.
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The 2020 specs should be out within the next couple months, so there will probably many 2019 models on sale fairly soon.
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Even thought it's lightly used the asking price is only about $200 less than the new price, which seems a bit steep, though it includes what appears to be a nice rear-rack.
The 2020 specs should be out within the next couple months, so there will probably many 2019 models on sale fairly soon.
The 2020 specs should be out within the next couple months, so there will probably many 2019 models on sale fairly soon.
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At least the Ebay link has more pics. Didnt realize the paint is white fleck- that's kinda neat.
How are you able to tell that's a Portland design works light? Are they distinct in design from most every other clip on tail light?
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Really pushing this bike hard. 2 different subforums and both have comments on the lack of this being worth mentioning.
At least the Ebay link has more pics. Didnt realize the paint is white fleck- that's kinda neat.
How are you able to tell that's a Portland design works light? Are they distinct in design from most every other clip on tail light?
At least the Ebay link has more pics. Didnt realize the paint is white fleck- that's kinda neat.
How are you able to tell that's a Portland design works light? Are they distinct in design from most every other clip on tail light?