RIRview

Even for the 41, that's in pretty poor taste, considering a woman will probably lose her life over this.

AbsurdChalk

And to teach a life lesson comes with a knowing of life which I don't think anyone has credentials for, "teacher".

3alarmer 

...we had a big to do over some Strava guy trying to podium here in San Francisco about a year ago (maybe longer.)
Killed some poor old guy in a crosswalk, and then rode home and got on the innerweebz and posted some stuff about it.

They charged him with manslaughter, but the trial took forever (I think until the hubbub died down a little).

Bicyclist sentenced for fatal S.F. crash - SFGate

3alarmer 

...I should probably post that in the Helment thread.

LesterOfPuppets

Thread needs merged with helmet thread.

kbarch

That's the sanguine charm of the Post. They don't pretend to not have an opinion, and are rather proud of their sensational word choices and pedestrian idiom, but they do a serviceable job when it comes to reportage.

bruce19

Maybe I did the math wrong but averaging under 15 mph on routes that average 30 ft. of elevation per mile doesn't impress me. Especially after all the miles he rides. Of course if he's confining his rides to NYC dodging traffic and pedestrians complicates things a bit. I hate to say it but this reminds me of that story about the guy chasing a Strava record in SF who killed an older man who was trying to cross an intersection in downtown.

bruce19

Missed this. Sorry.

bruce19

This is why I stick to the roads and avoid MUPs.

bruce19

I was taken by their "phrasing" as well. Reminds me of the time a guy drove out of a parking garage and T-boned me and my Ducati. He admitted he "didn't see" me, there were witnesses to that fact and he got the ticket. His lawyer tried to argue that I was on a "race bike." Kind of funny 'cause that bike was an old fashioned, air cooled motor that had about 1/2 the power of most sport bikes. I had to explain to him that "race bikes" aren't street legal.

Campag4life

Even though you can make that point and journalism in this country has sunk to a low of not representing the truth...sometimes even remotely, sounds as though this cyclist was in the wrong and per the article if believable, was riding in his aero bars without brakes which made matters much worse.

Even though I would say by and large cyclists get the short end of the stick in most crash scenarios on the road in terms of lack of prosecution where a cyclist is maimed or killed, there is a subset of cyclists on the road that ride like idiots and this guy 'may' be one of them. Only way to determine this is in court and of course that is no guarantee of seeking the truth either....but the best we have. If he did have the time to yell at the lady, he had time to brake and my guess and only that is if riding out on aerobars without brakes, he made a calculated judgment that he could avoid the lady by getting her attention and not changing his speed. This was stupid if true.

In any event, this is a very sad story and a shame.

mukman

My girlfriend's dad got hit by a cyclist who cut a corner through the sidewalk, broke his hip, died in the hospital.

RollCNY

Dear Mr. Sock Troll,
For circular words to contain wisdom, first place wisdom in the circle.

Warm Regards,
Your Hero & Teacher

GiChoke

Nah, I train at Renzos. Are you a Marcelo guy? I got some buddies that train there.

WhyFi

Spend some time in NYC and you'll see why people frequently ride in Central Park/Prospect Park - it's sure not perfect, but not everyone can commit to multiple rides outside of the city per week (depending upon where you live, it may take a few hours just to get to/from an open road).

merlinextraligh

That's easy enough to see in foresight. Aerobars have a time and a place. Riding in busy traffic (automobile, or pedestrian) is not that place.

Having quicker access to the brakes, and being more manueverable might not have prevented this, but it certainly wouldn't have hurt.

WhyFi

BTW, the article has been updated with additional info about both the rider and the ped. There's a photo of the rider and they say that he is, indeed, a sax player.

Campag4life

I believe that was datlas' point. Where in NYC can you ride flat out on aerobars with no brakes where you aren't constantly encountering cars and pedestrians?
Without perfect presentation of the what happened, this was a case where a guy was riding too fast without immediate access to braking where pedestrians are present albeit maybe intermittently. Very bad judgment that cost a life.

halfspeed

That explains it. Sax players are a bunch of arrogant a-hole elitists. Never would have happened if he was a viola player.

Herbie53

For me, the interesting part of this is the bias in the article as compared to the bias you typically see when a car hits a cyclist. Drivers hitting cyclist is an accident or if the possibility exists the fault of the cyclist.

Quote from this article...

"...came barreling along West Drive at around 4:30 p.m. and yelled for her to get out of his way, law enforcement sources said."

WhyFi

Oh stop - I only mentioned that because someone on page 2 was wondering if the rider was the sax player of the same name.

...and you forgot to mention that sax players are always coked up. Everybody knows this, man.

rjones28 

Car drivers don't yell at you first. They just hit you.

Herbie53

Probably doesn't have a horn on his TT bike. For $4K, you would think it would have a horn.

RollCNY

I was yelling at the car that hit me last month. I was also hard on the brakes, and taking evasive maneuvers. Amazingly, one can yell at someone and still be trying to safely avoid a collision. One does not preclude the other.

indyfabz

This sort of thing happened here in Philly a few years ago. Some guy leaving work and crossing the street with the light was hit by a cyclist. The pedestrian fell, hit his head and eventually died from his injury. He left behind a family. The cyclist fell, got up, straightened his handlebars and rode off. He has never been identified despite the large reward offered by the victim's employer.

As a frequent pedestrian, bike commuter, road rider and cycle tourist, I am tired of all the bad behavior exhibitied by motorists, cyclists and pedestrians alike.