Track Cycling World Cup
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So that BIG 62x14 gear was actually Yudai Nitta. My friend seemed to be misinformed. Did some sluething because I saw that none of the bikes in the TS finals matched that bike (everyone ran double discs). Found this pic of him crashing out in a keirin (Pruszkow) with what looks like the same straps, bike, and monster chainring. It was his set up for the F200, which he DNS'd.
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I think it's cultural. As soon as members of a top tier team start using them, everyone else will be using them within months.
So that BIG 62x14 gear was actually Yudai Nitta. My friend seemed to be misinformed. Did some sluething because I saw that none of the bikes in the TS finals matched that bike (everyone ran double discs). Found this pic of him crashing out in a keirin (Pruszkow) with what looks like the same straps, bike, and monster chainring. It was his set up for the F200, which he DNS'd.
62t/14t*27" = 119.6" (nominal), which isn't too crazy for a Keirin or F200. That might be huge for a TS...BUT, I did notice that the NZ team posted a (relatively) slow opening lap time (17.997" for 5th fastest), but laps 2 and 3 were as fast as expected. My guess is that they are gearing-up Man1 to sacrifice absolute lap 1 time in order to maximize drop off speed (the speed at which man1 peels off and leaves man2 to take over).
Fast lap times but slow drop off speeds are common in lower levels of TS specialists who may not train together. Basically, Man1 (training alone) might focus on recording the absolute fastest standing lap time in training, and gear accordingly. What can happen is that the best gearing for the best lap time might actually have the rider slowing down at the end of the lap, thus not providing the best launch scenario for man2. I've been man2 before i this situation and I've had to backpedal on the home straight as man1 slowed, then I'll have to re-accelerate off of the exchange.
This is in line with my thoughts of the Team Sprint being a synergistic event and not simply, "Who has the fastest standing lap + who has the fastest standing 500M + who is a kilo rider (or enduro) = best team sprint team", which is how I've seem many teams conceived.
The NZ team has consistently been one of the best at every event they've entered in the past few years. I'd follow anything they do...or don't do.
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Also, if the argument that "straps aren't aero", I'd challenge that.
The feet spinning in circles are the most unaero part of the entire system. Shoes without booties have all manner of buckles and BOA twisters that are larger than the buckles on NJS straps and velcro straps lay flat...arguably smoothing out the shoe upper a small bit.
If I were a coach of enduros of any events, I'd have them experiment with straps for sure.
The feet spinning in circles are the most unaero part of the entire system. Shoes without booties have all manner of buckles and BOA twisters that are larger than the buckles on NJS straps and velcro straps lay flat...arguably smoothing out the shoe upper a small bit.
If I were a coach of enduros of any events, I'd have them experiment with straps for sure.
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It was very cool to see a lot of Team USA representation at this weekend's World Cup. Lots of new names, which is awesome! They placed very well.
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Simona Krupeckaitė (LTU) qualified 3rd in sprints with a 10.9" and finished 2nd overall to Pauline Grabosh (GER) who qualified 1st with a 10.8.
It's notable because Krupeckaitė is 35, older than Theo Bos! She raced in the 2004 Olympics in Athens.
Not sure what's going on, but some older riders seem to be doing well against the young bucks.
It's notable because Krupeckaitė is 35, older than Theo Bos! She raced in the 2004 Olympics in Athens.
Not sure what's going on, but some older riders seem to be doing well against the young bucks.
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Not sure if anyone noticed, but Buchli (BEAT / NED) won all 3 (4?) sprint events last weekend: Qualified 1st flying 200, match sprints, keirin, and team sprint. Nuts.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeVmMJ4D...atthijs.buchli
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeVmMJ4D...atthijs.buchli
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Was checking out a few pics on facebook and noticed that Charlie Tanfield appeared to have some sort of shoe cover over his Empires, I thought shoe covers weren’t legal anymore? Only covers the laces, maybe they’re saying it’s a safety device...
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I believe that lace covers are legal, as long as they cover only the laces, and are integral to the shoe. It may just be elasticated fabric that is glued/attached only to the sole. That may satisfy the requirements. I would rather this than see someone's laces get caught/untie/cause a crash. It's not like it's smoothing out the profile of the shoe/ankle area, so aero doesn't seem like it would be a gain here at all.
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Doesn't look integral to me. As to whether or not it's for aero, I know Specialized claims that their lace-up shoes with lace covers test very well in the wind-tunnel, they definitely market it as an aero shoe setup. The covers in that picture don't look super-aero with the wrinkles, though.
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Found this on the UCI website "From 1 October 2012, the use of shoe covers will be prohibited for track events held
at an indoor velodrome as their use is purely for aerodynamic purposes and does not
offer any benefits to the riders' health or safety."
So maybe a safety thing then. So the laces don't come undone.
at an indoor velodrome as their use is purely for aerodynamic purposes and does not
offer any benefits to the riders' health or safety."
So maybe a safety thing then. So the laces don't come undone.
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Its the warp sleeve from the Specialized Sub6 shoes (athough he is wearing it with Giro Empires)
Apparently when combined with aero socks it tests better than overshoes
Apparently when combined with aero socks it tests better than overshoes
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you can just buy soccer lace covers (much cheaper than specialized )
I was under the impression they needed to be part of the shoe (like the DMT P1's) to be legal... although any time you are talking about a UCI rule it's open to interpretation... a la trip socks ok, trip sleeves and/or just the trips on the leg, not ok. (Even if they meet height requirements... which is another nightmare depending on who's measuring from where)
I was under the impression they needed to be part of the shoe (like the DMT P1's) to be legal... although any time you are talking about a UCI rule it's open to interpretation... a la trip socks ok, trip sleeves and/or just the trips on the leg, not ok. (Even if they meet height requirements... which is another nightmare depending on who's measuring from where)
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you can just buy soccer lace covers (much cheaper than specialized )
(Not directed to Morelock, just generally speaking...)
I was under the impression they needed to be part of the shoe (like the DMT P1's) to be legal... although any time you are talking about a UCI rule it's open to interpretation... a la trip socks ok, trip sleeves and/or just the trips on the leg, not ok. (Even if they meet height requirements... which is another nightmare depending on who's measuring from where)
(Not directed to Morelock, just generally speaking...)
I was under the impression they needed to be part of the shoe (like the DMT P1's) to be legal... although any time you are talking about a UCI rule it's open to interpretation... a la trip socks ok, trip sleeves and/or just the trips on the leg, not ok. (Even if they meet height requirements... which is another nightmare depending on who's measuring from where)
A competitors, coaches, and officials can (and should) contest the use of unapproved gear when the stakes are high. It's rare, but it does happen.
It would suck for a person to place well in an event only to have the result thrown out because of a piece of equipment that was not approved.
Asking can benefit one as well. When the Casco Warp helmets hit the scene in 2009 or 2010, they only had the european certification, not CPSC (Consumer Product Safely Commission) certification, which USA Cycling requires for use in USA Cycling events. So, basically, if an event was held under USA Cycling license, that helmet was unapproved for use.
Word got out about this and lots of people who owned the helmet didn't use it in USAC events, obeying the rules.
Then came Elite Track Nationals and Masters Track Nationals. These are USAC events, so the same rules apply, right? NOPE. These are also UCI events, so UCI rules supersede USAC rules...and the helmet was allowed.
Same for the Catlike Whisper helmet that was very popular among pros back then.
So, when in doubt, ask. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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If you haven't had your bike through UCI tech before....
@Hermes, at Worlds in October, "Sara, have you had your bike teched yet?"
Sara, "No...it's pretty much stock, why should I worry?"
@Hermes, "You should do it while you have enough time to make a just in case change before your race so you're not running around in a panic."
Sara, "Okay..."
Ms. UCI Official (running the bike jig), "Sara, your aerobars are too long. Either move them back or move the saddle forward."
Sara, "ANYONE GOT A STAR WRENCH I CAN BORROW?!!!!"
@carleton. Yes.
@Hermes, at Worlds in October, "Sara, have you had your bike teched yet?"
Sara, "No...it's pretty much stock, why should I worry?"
@Hermes, "You should do it while you have enough time to make a just in case change before your race so you're not running around in a panic."
Sara, "Okay..."
Ms. UCI Official (running the bike jig), "Sara, your aerobars are too long. Either move them back or move the saddle forward."
Sara, "ANYONE GOT A STAR WRENCH I CAN BORROW?!!!!"
@carleton. Yes.
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The 2018 World Championships started yesterday.
Official entry lists, start lists, results, splits, etc... can be found here: UCI 2018 Track Cycling World Championships | Tissot Timing
Official entry lists, start lists, results, splits, etc... can be found here: UCI 2018 Track Cycling World Championships | Tissot Timing
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Yeah that's what I had to do for the CX world cup.
Alternatively, if you have a qualifying cable account, you can watch on the NBC Sports website or app.
Alternatively, if you have a qualifying cable account, you can watch on the NBC Sports website or app.
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ALL FOUR Chinese ladies TP riders using straps...one with double straps, no less.
This isn't just one rider's preference or superstition.
This isn't just one rider's preference or superstition.
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Interesting note:
The Dutch women rode 3 rides in their Team Sprint Silver win.
One pair qualified and another pair rode the other 2 rounds.
Qualifying:
292 van RIESSEN Laurine
291 van de WOUW Hetty
1st Round:
287 LAMBERINK Kyra
285 BRASPENNINCX Shanne
Finals:
287 LAMBERINK Kyra
285 BRASPENNINCX Shanne
Podium:
The Dutch women rode 3 rides in their Team Sprint Silver win.
One pair qualified and another pair rode the other 2 rounds.
Qualifying:
292 van RIESSEN Laurine
291 van de WOUW Hetty
1st Round:
287 LAMBERINK Kyra
285 BRASPENNINCX Shanne
Finals:
287 LAMBERINK Kyra
285 BRASPENNINCX Shanne
Podium: