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Old 05-26-10, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Crash716
it's not the power to sustain 40mph that's impossible...anyone can do 650w for a bit...it's the power it takes to accelerate to 40mph that i don't believe he has.
So performed from standing start???... Not a rolling start???...
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Whatever you like. If you start standing you'll be rolling soon enough. The main point is no drafting.
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Starting after a long downhill is cheating too.
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Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t
What about a run each way???, on the same piece of road???... Length of road???... I reckon I could hit 40MPH within 200 metres, maybe 150m?. (Well I know I can according to my cateye computer).

But now your asking me to "sustain" it?. I had a section of road in mind (for 200 metres) to hit 40MPH, but to sustain it I would need a mile to unleash my awesomeness & where I'm currently situated, there isn't anywhere flat for a mile.

I will do it at the dead of night, no traffic.
You have to sustain it because you claimed it was easy to do. If it's easy for you then you should be able to hold it for at least a little while. Also to ensure that it's actually over 40 and not just a glitch in the data. 10 seconds would probably suffice.

If you want to do a run each way to counter any wind effects, that would probably be a good idea too.

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So performed from standing start???... Not a rolling start???...
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Whatever you like. If you start standing you'll be rolling soon enough. The main point is no drafting.
It doesn't really matter to me how it takes you to get to 40mph, or how fast you are going beforehand, as long as you had no gravity or draft assist to get up to speed.
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I don't think it's possible to go smaller than 11 on the rear, and I think 53 is pretty much what's on the big ring throughout road stages. Notice that the speed gets built up over a couple kilometers, and that they're getting dragged along by their lead-outs. Not saying it's easy, but easier than just revving up to that by yourself.
Ya, since the speed ramps up pretty high in the last couple of kilometers on a flat stage ending to up around 35 mph or a little faster the sprinters are likely to be in a 53 x 11, 53 x 12. I don't think that a sprinter can afford to shift as he would lose too much time so he has to be in the right gear when he starts his sprint. Likely they are going from a 110 rpm cadence during the ramp up to as high as they can muster on the sprint. 140-150 rpm or higher is likely in the sprint.
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Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t
I will do it at the dead of night, no traffic.
I don't know if you're still kidding with us or not.
In case you're not, I now publicly accept your speed claims. I'd encourage others to do the same. You, sir, are a great cyclist with nothing to prove. No need for a dead-of-night speed run.
Nobody wants to read about this in tomorrow's paper.
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I don't think that a sprinter can afford to shift as he would lose too much time so he has to be in the right gear when he starts his sprint.
You do understand that the ability to shift in a sprint under full load is one of the reasons that STI was such a big deal? Moreover, the ability to draw the shift lever in close to the bars in a sprint is one of the big selling points to SRAM.

People often shift under full load in sprints without missing a beat.
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Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t
So performed from standing start???... Not a rolling start???...
Dude, you said you can do it easily.
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There will be no draft assistance. A run both ways. A slight breeze, or any wind I will do it another day.

I know what it takes to lay down such a run. Great strength in the glutes, erector spinae, hams, quads but probably more importantly, explosive power in the hip flexors & core.

If I have the ability to yawn my way to 40MPH (Very likely), I will throw in a few more runs & unleash the beast further, & try to ramp it up to around 43-45MPH.

If I do it umd, you can put the graphs up on your blog, referencing how great I am.
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If I do it umd, you can put the graphs up on your blog, referencing how great I am.
cart. horse.
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Garmin 705 compatible???...

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so wait, he has never actually sprinted at 40mph before? "very likely"?

also a note for the "beastly" jump to 43mph - although the speed jump is only around 7 percent, the power requirement jump is ~23 percent. that is not a pedestrian jump in power.
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no
also a note for the "beastly" jump to 43mph - although the speed jump is only around 7 percent, the power requirement jump is ~23 percent. that is not a pedestrian jump in power.
Not for the beast!.
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what a schmuck.
I think is fair what he is asking for.
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I think is fair what he is asking for.
What who is asking for?
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The post was for botto.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
You do understand that the ability to shift in a sprint under full load is one of the reasons that STI was such a big deal? Moreover, the ability to draw the shift lever in close to the bars in a sprint is one of the big selling points to SRAM.

People often shift under full load in sprints without missing a beat.
I wasn't aware of that, and I find it amazing. Even after a new chain and adjustment my chain regularly skips when I accelerate hard.
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Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t
There will be no draft assistance. A run both ways. A slight breeze, or any wind I will do it another day.

I know what it takes to lay down such a run. Great strength in the glutes, erector spinae, hams, quads but probably more importantly, explosive power in the hip flexors & core.

If I have the ability to yawn my way to 40MPH (Very likely), I will throw in a few more runs & unleash the beast further, & try to ramp it up to around 43-45MPH.

If I do it umd, you can put the graphs up on your blog, referencing how great I am.
There are probably a lot of guys that can sprint over 40 mph in a short controlled venue. The issue is can you do it after riding 200 km and climbing 2000-4000 M.
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Charlie Francis (October 13, 1948 – May 12, 2010).

He will live forever, through his knowledge and his ideas.

R.I.P "Godspeed" Charlie.
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Curious how *****3nin.vend3t has that on his signature line. Especially if its this Charlie Francis. https://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tracka...e=OLYHeadlines A coach of known track PED users like Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, and Tim Montgomery. I should had he was banned from coaching in Canada. He admitted introducing steroids to Ben Johnson. Perhaps this is why he's such a fan of Lance.

Perhaps he has something up his sleeve regarding the challenge. Or a needle in his a$$.
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I'm always amazed by internet sprinting speeds. I'm a lowly Cat 4, but an ok sprinter.

I occassionally win sprints in Cat 4 races, do ok in Masters 45 sprints (with higher category riders) and can be in the top handfull in the sprints at the Tuesday night worlds.

I have never in my life seen 40 mph on flat ground, not wind aided with no lead out.

I rarely have seen 40mph or better in a field sprint.

I have won sprints with a max speed of 34-35 mph.


Yet, apparently there are a number people on the interwebs with no racing experience that routinely hit 40mph+ with ease.

Thank god they don't show up at my races.
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I wasn't aware of that, and I find it amazing. Even after a new chain and adjustment my chain regularly skips when I accelerate hard.
Then you need a new cassette.
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This has been an amusing exchange...
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