I'm finally convinced Carbon Fiber bikes are safe.
07-25-18, 08:36 PM
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Maybe pointing the comprehension finger isn't the best idea.
07-25-18, 08:59 PM
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No. I think you are reading more into it that was actually said. There is a difference between saying Gilbert used horrible technique in this case which is the cause of many kids sport bike accidents. Which is clear to me what he said. And saying Gilbert has horrible cornering technique like that of a kid on a sportbike, which you seem to think he said.
07-25-18, 09:21 PM
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No. I think you are reading more into it that was actually said. There is a difference between saying Gilbert used horrible technique in this case which is the cause of many kids sport bike accidents. Which is clear to me what he said. And saying Gilbert has horrible cornering technique like that of a kid on a sportbike, which you seem to think he said.
07-25-18, 09:32 PM
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Carbon bikes are safe...
If there aren't any defects inside the frame.
If you don't buy used from some stranger.
If you use a properly calibrated torque wrench and don't overtighten anything.
If you don't get any corrosion inside the frame.
If the bike isn't crashed or otherwise impacted, causing damage that can eventually lead to a systemic failure at any moment.
Carbon bikes are safe. If you baby them and you have favorable odds.
Carbon bikes are not worth the money, especially when in a lot of cases you can get an alloy bike that weighs the same and has better components. But if buying a carbon bike makes you happy, go for it. I can't really argue against your own subjective values.
07-25-18, 09:43 PM
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Exactly.
Carbon bikes are safe...
If there aren't any defects inside the frame.
If you don't buy used from some stranger.
If you use a properly calibrated torque wrench and don't overtighten anything.
If you don't get any corrosion inside the frame.
If the bike isn't crashed or otherwise impacted, causing damage that can eventually lead to a systemic failure at any moment.
Carbon bikes are safe. If you baby them and you have favorable odds.
Carbon bikes are not worth the money, especially when in a lot of cases you can get an alloy bike that weighs the same and has better components. But if buying a carbon bike makes you happy, go for it. I can't really argue against your own subjective values.
Carbon bikes are safe...
If there aren't any defects inside the frame.
If you don't buy used from some stranger.
If you use a properly calibrated torque wrench and don't overtighten anything.
If you don't get any corrosion inside the frame.
If the bike isn't crashed or otherwise impacted, causing damage that can eventually lead to a systemic failure at any moment.
Carbon bikes are safe. If you baby them and you have favorable odds.
Carbon bikes are not worth the money, especially when in a lot of cases you can get an alloy bike that weighs the same and has better components. But if buying a carbon bike makes you happy, go for it. I can't really argue against your own subjective values.
Good Lord.
07-25-18, 09:51 PM
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Horrible cornering technique. It's the most common cause of sportbike accidents from these kids who don't know how to ride. He was looking at where he was going, toward the outside of the curve, not looking through the curve where he wanted to go. Also known as target fixation. Your bike goes where your eyes go.
riding as well. Maybe even more than a machine.
07-25-18, 09:53 PM
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Not to go all r/conspiracy or anything, but WE ALL KNOW CRABON BIKES ASPLODE.
Clearly when he hit the wall his bike did indeed asplode killing him and all other people for 100 yards in every direction. It was hidden by a holographic projection, and while that was in place a cloned double was substituted. (All the crabon fiber bike riders on the tour have been cloned just for this purpose.) The clone finished the race but was clearly pulling some crisis actor Bull**** with the hurt knee act.
Don't be fooled. This is the deep state bike manufacturers cabal keeping you from knowing the truth!
Clearly when he hit the wall his bike did indeed asplode killing him and all other people for 100 yards in every direction. It was hidden by a holographic projection, and while that was in place a cloned double was substituted. (All the crabon fiber bike riders on the tour have been cloned just for this purpose.) The clone finished the race but was clearly pulling some crisis actor Bull**** with the hurt knee act.
Don't be fooled. This is the deep state bike manufacturers cabal keeping you from knowing the truth!
07-25-18, 09:57 PM
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Not to go all r/conspiracy or anything, but WE ALL KNOW CRABON BIKES ASPLODE.
Clearly when he hit the wall his bike did indeed asplode killing him and all other people for 100 yards in every direction. It was hidden by a holographic projection, and while that was in place a cloned double was substituted. (All the crabon fiber bike riders on the tour have been cloned just for this purpose.) The clone finished the race but was clearly pulling some crisis actor Bull**** with the hurt knee act.
Don't be fooled. This is the deep state bike manufacturers cabal keeping you from knowing the truth!
Clearly when he hit the wall his bike did indeed asplode killing him and all other people for 100 yards in every direction. It was hidden by a holographic projection, and while that was in place a cloned double was substituted. (All the crabon fiber bike riders on the tour have been cloned just for this purpose.) The clone finished the race but was clearly pulling some crisis actor Bull**** with the hurt knee act.
Don't be fooled. This is the deep state bike manufacturers cabal keeping you from knowing the truth!
07-25-18, 11:01 PM
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Thank god for fearless pioneers such as yourself.
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07-26-18, 04:31 AM
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It looks to me like when Gilbert took the right hander he didn't expect the left to come up so quickly and at that speed he panicked and had a classic case of target fixation. His head was facing the outside of the curve the whole time, he was not looking through the turn, and he took a straight line right off the bridge. Target fixation, case closed. I suspect he has not ridden that route very often if ever. That's the first time it was in the TDF. I bet a million dollars many motorcycles have gone off at the exact same spot. It's a dangerous turn.
07-26-18, 05:20 AM
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It's like the Special Olympics up in here.
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07-26-18, 05:25 AM
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That descent has been in lots of Tours, rather famously: "Gilbert suffered a heavy fall on the descent of the Col de Portet-d'Aspet, where Fabio Casartelli crashed and died during the 1995 Tour." (BBC)
07-26-18, 06:41 AM
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This obviously has been settled for a long time but I love this video from santa cruz showing that through fatigue and impact tests carbon is way stronger. My favorite part is at the end (5:00) when they are swinging a carbon frame like a baseball bat into a concrete post and it remains undamaged
07-26-18, 06:55 AM
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Uh no. Look at his rear wheel. You keep ignoring that he was braking hard and his rear wheel was unweighted from the moment his heel clicked out. How do you propose that he made a rookie mistake and steered where he was looking when he, um, couldn't steer because he had no rear wheel?
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And, I was looking for an excuse to get a CF bike, as I got my first aluminum last year, after riding steel for 50+ years.
Oh, I did find a Raleigh Carbon Clubman, slightly used floor and test model . The fenders come off first. then got to do something about those classic looking tires. The price was right, although I'm not too crazy about the sky blue color. I think it looks a little "girly" but for the price , I couldn't turn it down. KB
07-26-18, 07:00 AM
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I think Carbon Fiber bikes are safe. Discussing Carbon Fiber bikes involved in crashes on twisting, downhill TDF descents on the other hand, appears to be potential dangerous. The bike didn't @SSPlode, but this thread could.
07-26-18, 07:07 AM
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Uh no. Look at his rear wheel. You keep ignoring that he was braking hard and his rear wheel was unweighted from the moment his heel clicked out. How do you propose that he made a rookie mistake and steered where he was looking when he, um, couldn't steer because he had no rear wheel?
07-26-18, 07:47 AM
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Depends on which type you are referring to. I'll PM you.