spindle play bb un55
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spindle play bb un55
just installed cranks on a new shimano un55 bottom bracket. bb went in last week, cranks today. thought i was done then noticed some play in the spindle. I've only done one of these before this one. could i have messed it up somehow, bumping it etc. or did i just get a lemon?
is there a way to fix the problem or just exchange it?
thanks!
is there a way to fix the problem or just exchange it?
thanks!
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Any chance you installed a 68 mm bb on a 73 mm frame and the nds cup isn't snug against the end of the cartridge? Also, are the crank arms torqued properly so they aren't moving relative to the spindle?
Otherwise these bottom brackets are very rugged and bumping it should do nothing harmful unless done with your car.
As a first step, I'd remove the bb and see if there is any play in the cartridge when it's out of the bike.
Otherwise these bottom brackets are very rugged and bumping it should do nothing harmful unless done with your car.
As a first step, I'd remove the bb and see if there is any play in the cartridge when it's out of the bike.
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thanks Hillrider.
It's the correct size, 68. but I took it out and there seems to be no play in the spindle now that it is removed. I had the adjustable cup pretty damn tight on there. I did have a 2mm spacer on the drive side though. that's all the facts. I'm stumped. bike is an 84 schwinn high sierra.
It's the correct size, 68. but I took it out and there seems to be no play in the spindle now that it is removed. I had the adjustable cup pretty damn tight on there. I did have a 2mm spacer on the drive side though. that's all the facts. I'm stumped. bike is an 84 schwinn high sierra.
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Strange... I did encounter a Shimano cartridge BB that was actually a cup-and-cone unit, with the cones threaded onto the spindle and held in adjustment with a locknut (I suppose it was still a cartridge in that it was removeable as a unit). One of those could potentially work loose in a fairly short time if the locknut wasn't tight enough, but the fact that you don't have play with the cartridge out would tend to rule out the bearing.
How much play are we dealing with here? The length of the cranks does amplify the play - a millimetre of play at the spindle will be a lot more than that at the pedal, so the play may only be obvious with the cranks on. It could still be the cartridge, if that's the case.
How much play are we dealing with here? The length of the cranks does amplify the play - a millimetre of play at the spindle will be a lot more than that at the pedal, so the play may only be obvious with the cranks on. It could still be the cartridge, if that's the case.
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Strange... I did encounter a Shimano cartridge BB that was actually a cup-and-cone unit, with the cones threaded onto the spindle and held in adjustment with a locknut (I suppose it was still a cartridge in that it was removeable as a unit). One of those could potentially work loose in a fairly short time if the locknut wasn't tight enough, but the fact that you don't have play with the cartridge out would tend to rule out the bearing.
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with the crank off, cartridge still installed I could visibly move it with my hand. didnt measure the actual displacement but it didnt seem right to me. maybe I f'ed up installing it.
Strange... I did encounter a Shimano cartridge BB that was actually a cup-and-cone unit, with the cones threaded onto the spindle and held in adjustment with a locknut (I suppose it was still a cartridge in that it was removeable as a unit). One of those could potentially work loose in a fairly short time if the locknut wasn't tight enough, but the fact that you don't have play with the cartridge out would tend to rule out the bearing.
How much play are we dealing with here? The length of the cranks does amplify the play - a millimetre of play at the spindle will be a lot more than that at the pedal, so the play may only be obvious with the cranks on. It could still be the cartridge, if that's the case.
How much play are we dealing with here? The length of the cranks does amplify the play - a millimetre of play at the spindle will be a lot more than that at the pedal, so the play may only be obvious with the cranks on. It could still be the cartridge, if that's the case.
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OP, the fact that the play remains when the cartridge is in the frame with no cranks, but disappears when the cartridge is removed, would tend to suggest it's the installation of the BB that's at fault. I'm not sure quite how though...
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CC, Exchange it, a new UN54/55 will be slightly resistant to turn and have zero lateral spindal movement in my experiance.
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well I reinstalled the bb, no movement. even with the crank on it's solid. kind of a mystery. hope the issue doesnt return but I'm not optimistic
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thanks Hillrider.
It's the correct size, 68. but I took it out and there seems to be no play in the spindle now that it is removed. I had the adjustable cup pretty damn tight on there. I did have a 2mm spacer on the drive side though. that's all the facts. I'm stumped. bike is an 84 schwinn high sierra.
It's the correct size, 68. but I took it out and there seems to be no play in the spindle now that it is removed. I had the adjustable cup pretty damn tight on there. I did have a 2mm spacer on the drive side though. that's all the facts. I'm stumped. bike is an 84 schwinn high sierra.
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hmm. that is a detail I had not considered. though that lipless lockring is nearly the price of the bb itself.
I think it's likely that i didnt tighten the drive side well enough the first time. bc I observed the spindle moving in relationship to the adjustable cup/lockring. ie the nds lockring wasnt shifting with the spindle. but if the problem recurs, then I may go lipless.
I think it's likely that i didnt tighten the drive side well enough the first time. bc I observed the spindle moving in relationship to the adjustable cup/lockring. ie the nds lockring wasnt shifting with the spindle. but if the problem recurs, then I may go lipless.
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hmm. that is a detail I had not considered. though that lipless lockring is nearly the price of the bb itself.
I think it's likely that i didnt tighten the drive side well enough the first time. bc I observed the spindle moving in relationship to the adjustable cup/lockring. ie the nds lockring wasnt shifting with the spindle. but if the problem recurs, then I may go lipless.
I think it's likely that i didnt tighten the drive side well enough the first time. bc I observed the spindle moving in relationship to the adjustable cup/lockring. ie the nds lockring wasnt shifting with the spindle. but if the problem recurs, then I may go lipless.
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the more I think about it, the more that makes sense. the spacer prevents the cup from fitting snug on the cartridge. but it fits snug on the frame hence the spindle moves but the cup doesnt.
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hmm. that is a detail I had not considered. though that lipless lockring is nearly the price of the bb itself.
I think it's likely that i didnt tighten the drive side well enough the first time. bc I observed the spindle moving in relationship to the adjustable cup/lockring. ie the nds lockring wasnt shifting with the spindle. but if the problem recurs, then I may go lipless.
I think it's likely that i didnt tighten the drive side well enough the first time. bc I observed the spindle moving in relationship to the adjustable cup/lockring. ie the nds lockring wasnt shifting with the spindle. but if the problem recurs, then I may go lipless.
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Bb went loose again after riding it. I removed the adj cup and installed a lipless one the lbs gave me. However the bb still moves. Wondering if I should remove the drive side spacer and live with it, or should I hav removed the whole bb and reinstalled it with the lipless cup, instead of just switching out the cup..
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Update, looks like the adj cup lbs gave me didn't fit perfectly. Happened to have another and now the bb is tight/ snug. Hope it remains that way .