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1987 Trek 400D Elance paint and cleanup advice

Old 02-19-20, 01:03 PM
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... freewheel... Park Tool FR-1, probably.
I agree.
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This project may not make economical sense but will be a great learning process. Plan to burn up time, more than money in the clean / preservation. If creative and first go around at this, - rubber (tires, tubes) brake pads, cables, bearings, bar wrap, toss a saddle on it, + shop supplies and chemicals figure $100.

Much has already been discussed here on components and such, but getting back to the frame issues. Focus first on that. BTW: Does the frame fit you?

Suggest to go full DIY. Use chemical Klean-strip or whatever the new branding of Bix. (Its not noxious but use throw away gloves.)

Read up on the DIY threads about painting. After the strip and corrosion removal, give it a rattle can paint with Rustoleum 2X. Stash it away for a few months and let it properly chemically react and cure.

In the meantime, go through every little bit of component and parts of them. Every pivot or hinge, bearings, etc.. Don't slack off and skip any thread cleaning.

Get to that point and determine if you wish to expand upon freewheel service and wheel construction.

Once you've got your baby all fresh and ready, enjoy the assembly process. Its all yours and give yourself a pat on the back. Don't sell it, regardless. Other bikes may come and go but you have something more in whatever that first build is. Use it or as an occasional guest loaner. Good luck!

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thanks for the advice. it ended up being a cassette (based on the park tools site, I didn’t know the difference). So I think it uses the FR-5.2 from Park tools based on their images.

I didn’t see much difference between a cone wrench and a normal crecent. Is there a reason I can’t use normal wrenches? I guess I’ll find out when the cassette removal tool comes. I’ll take a look at the front too. I’ll keep posting pics. This will hopefully be interesting for someone later to watch the whole process. Oh, and if it's a six-speed cassette, you'll need two chain whips, they worked differently back in the day.





Shimano 6 speed cassette
I dunno, looks like a freewheel to me. Shimano did briefly make some six speed freewheels--I worked on one for a friend's Univega. But you don't see them much. Photos can be deceiving, though. They are cheap but super-high-quality tools, so worst case you end up buying both. If you stick around in this crazy hobby for any amount of time you'll use both, frequently. And if it does end up being a cassette, you'll need a chain whip too. Another cheap tool you'll use a lot.

But without being too forceful here, I'm pretty sure that's a freewheel. Does it say "MF" on the other side of the quick-release knob in the picture? That would be a surefire sign it's a freewheel.

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I dunno, looks like a freewheel to me. Shimano did briefly make some six speed freewheels--I worked on one for a friend's Univega. But you don't see them much. Photos can be deceiving, though. They are cheap but super-high-quality tools, so worst case you end up buying both. If you stick around in this crazy hobby for any amount of time you'll use both, frequently. And if it does end up being a cassette, you'll need a chain whip too. Another cheap tool you'll use a lot.

But without being too forceful here, I'm pretty sure that's a freewheel. Does it say "MF" on the other side of the quick-release knob in the picture? That would be a surefire sign it's a freewheel.
I would also say if it's got the stock wheels it's a freewheel.

Are those the stock Maillard hubs?
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It is a freewheel, I drunkenly got the video wrong. So FR-1 is really the only option. Iím working on the bearings of the front wheel now, got a set of cone wrenches. Iíll post some pictures when Iím done playing with it.

I want new tires, whatís the thought on contential 4 seasons 700cx25? They are about $42 a piece. Should I do something that nice or go cheaper? Will I miss the 23s? Reviews say these run wide so 25s are really like 27s. Any suggestions would be nice. Was going to get 25-32 tubes to accommodate the wider tire run.

saddle suggestions?

Thanks, all!

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Front wheel


Feels gravely also

Maillard 500 hubs

Spindle out. Needs cleaning.

Will try to clean out the races in there.

This side didnít fall apart. Will take them out. 10 each side. Looks like 3/16Ē
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I want new tires, whatís the thought on contential 4 seasons 700cx25? They are about $42 a piece. Should I do something that nice or go cheaper? Will I miss the 23s? Reviews say these run wide so 25s are really like 27s. Any suggestions would be nice. Was going to get 25-32 tubes to accommodate the wider tire run.

saddle suggestions?

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If the clearances are the same as the 86- you'll be able to fit 32s on there with 700c wheels; 28s and fenders.

You mentioned having a spinal fusion- I would suggest going with cushy 32s. IMO- skinny tires are for people who like to "suffer." Again, IMO- Panaracer Paselas are great tires, unless you want to throw more money at it- the Compass/Rene Herse tires are really nice.


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Maillard 500 hubs
Interesting that it's coming with Maillard 500 hubs- my 86 came with Maillard 600s.
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Still slowly working on this.

did I order the wrong freewheel? Didn’t know how that worked. Just got a Shimano 6 speed With the same tooth count as mine, but this one has different spacing between the smallest and second smallest gears, which I’m pretty sure will throw off my indexing. I bought the mf-tz500-6. [Edit: actually, I bought MF-TZ20 and they sent me the TZ500-6. Not sure the difference, but I may send it back just because it isn't what I ordered].

besides that. Going well 2 pedals and a wheel done. Working on reassembling the rear wheel (hence the freewheel question). Everything is smooth sailing so far. Have to figure out which crank and bottom bracket tools I need next.

New freewheel

Front wheel hub

Both pedals

Rear wheel hub stripped. Looks like 9 ball bearings and this one is 1/4” balls. Every bearing is different on this thing haha.

The rear hub shaft and cones/washers/nuts cleaned and partially assembled.

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IMO- skinny tires are for people who like to "suffer."
Maybe they just like what they like and wish to avoid being told what to like based on another's "opinion."
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The new freewheel will work just fine. If your shifters are indexed for six speeds, and you have a new Shimano six speed freewheel, it will work.
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Maybe they just like what they like and wish to avoid being told what to like based on another's "opinion."
Maybe they use what they know- or what they know theyíre supposed to use. Or maybe they care about other peopleís opinions and wish to avoid ridicule based on ďthe rulesĒ or other such nonsense.

Thereís really no way of knowing.
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Maybe they use what they know- or what they know they’re supposed to use. Or maybe they care about other people’s opinions and wish to avoid ridicule based on “the rules” or other such nonsense. There’s really no way of knowing.
Or maybe they have just as much experience as you, and they still choose to ride what they like, which might be different than you.
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The new freewheel will work just fine. If your shifters are indexed for six speeds, and you have a new Shimano six speed freewheel, it will work.
Thanks. Why are the gears not evenly spaced like my old one? What possible benefit could they have? And some of the cogs are more shaped like shark fins than the square heads of my old one. Everything about this is...odd.
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Thanks. Why are the gears not evenly spaced like my old one? What possible benefit could they have? And some of the cogs are more shaped like shark fins than the square heads of my old one. Everything about this is...odd.
They're spaced for the movement of the RD in an indexed shifting system.

The teeth are shaped to be "ramps" to pick up the chain and assist shifting. Truly an improvement due to the advent of index shifting. You'll find it to shift faster and smoother than you're used to. One of the cheapest easiest ways to improve shifting on vintage iron.
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Or maybe they have just as much experience as you, and they still choose to ride what they like, which might be different than you.
Just saying someone who has a spinal fusion, can't bend far and asks if they'll 'miss 23s' would benefit from 32s on a bike that'll fit 32s.
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Just saying someone who has a spinal fusion, can't bend far and asks if they'll 'miss 23s' would benefit from 32s on a bike that'll fit 32s.
Neutral corners, please... Back to the Trek at hand...
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post
Maybe they use what they know- or what they know theyíre supposed to use. Or maybe they care about other peopleís opinions and wish to avoid ridicule based on ďthe rulesĒ or other such nonsense.

Thereís really no way of knowing.
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thanks for the advice. it ended up being a cassette (based on the park tools site, I didnít know the difference). So I think it uses the FR-5.2 from Park tools based on their images.

I didnít see much difference between a cone wrench and a normal crecent. Is there a reason I canít use normal wrenches? I guess Iíll find out when the cassette removal tool comes. Iíll take a look at the front too. Iíll keep posting pics. This will hopefully be interesting for someone later to watch the whole process.





Shimano 6 speed cassette
You know, you can refurbish the freewheel also.
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Just remember that everything is little, lol

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Just saying someone who has a spinal fusion, can't bend far and asks if they'll 'miss 23s' would benefit from 32s on a bike that'll fit 32s.
There seems to be a little too much three-card monte on the forums these days...
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