How's This For a Bicycle Law?
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Almost certainly going to be a court challenge to this--discriminating against some bicyclists in this way probably can't even pass rational basis review.
Am I getting this right? An individual rider can wear anything he/she wants and doesn't need lights, but a pair of riders have to wear high vis and sport half-mile visibility lights unless they use the bicycle as their main mode of transportation? How is that distinction related to safety? How does the cop determine if it's their main mode of transportation?
Am I getting this right? An individual rider can wear anything he/she wants and doesn't need lights, but a pair of riders have to wear high vis and sport half-mile visibility lights unless they use the bicycle as their main mode of transportation? How is that distinction related to safety? How does the cop determine if it's their main mode of transportation?
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Back in the late '80s, early '90s I rode with a club called Crescent City Cyclists based in South Louisiana. We would drive up to various rural areas, meet up, and ride. It was supposed to be a "touring" club but plenty of roadies would join in the fun. On a pretty Saturday in the Spring we could get 100+ cyclists of all different capabilities and most rides had 15 mile, 25, mile, 50 mile, and 100K options. So basically 100 cyclists would leave the start en mass and clog up some road somewhere until the faster riders took off and the whole group spread out into smaller groups. Then as the groups/individuals branched out on the different routes we would literally fill up a 200 square mile patch of multiple counties (parishes) on many, many roads all at once.
So, the basic premise of going to someone else's home range and clogging up every road is rude enough in my opinion. Then throw in about one third of the riders were typical militant, entitled cyclist A-hole$ riding three abreast and flipping motorists off whenever they dared to touch a horn. At least one parish passed a law that more than 10 riders in a group had to obtain a parade permit and a police escort to ride those roads. And they had to STAY TOGETHER. And you know what? They freaking deserved every bit of that treatment from lawmakers. I gave up riding with them long, long ago.
Two sides to every story. The laws were strictly aimed at one problem, not all cyclists.
So, the basic premise of going to someone else's home range and clogging up every road is rude enough in my opinion. Then throw in about one third of the riders were typical militant, entitled cyclist A-hole$ riding three abreast and flipping motorists off whenever they dared to touch a horn. At least one parish passed a law that more than 10 riders in a group had to obtain a parade permit and a police escort to ride those roads. And they had to STAY TOGETHER. And you know what? They freaking deserved every bit of that treatment from lawmakers. I gave up riding with them long, long ago.
Two sides to every story. The laws were strictly aimed at one problem, not all cyclists.
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Not really a braggable statement, since Mississippi is the poorest state in the union, any state could make that claim. More than half of all women nowadays dress like men, so that shouldn't be too much of a stretch. Still, sexual assault is the work of a truly deranged individual. With the freedoms and technology of today's society, there's just no good reason for it.
Mayim Bialik, if you think modest clothing protects you from sexual harassment, you need to listen to these Muslim women
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10-25-18, 02:26 PM
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Back in the late '80s, early '90s I rode with a club called Crescent City Cyclists based in South Louisiana. We would drive up to various rural areas, meet up, and ride. It was supposed to be a "touring" club but plenty of roadies would join in the fun. On a pretty Saturday in the Spring we could get 100+ cyclists of all different capabilities and most rides had 15 mile, 25, mile, 50 mile, and 100K options. So basically 100 cyclists would leave the start en mass and clog up some road somewhere until the faster riders took off and the whole group spread out into smaller groups. Then as the groups/individuals branched out on the different routes we would literally fill up a 200 square mile patch of multiple counties (parishes) on many, many roads all at once.
So, the basic premise of going to someone else's home range and clogging up every road is rude enough in my opinion. Then throw in about one third of the riders were typical militant, entitled cyclist A-hole$ riding three abreast and flipping motorists off whenever they dared to touch a horn. At least one parish passed a law that more than 10 riders in a group had to obtain a parade permit and a police escort to ride those roads. And they had to STAY TOGETHER. And you know what? They freaking deserved every bit of that treatment from lawmakers. I gave up riding with them long, long ago.
Two sides to every story. The laws were strictly aimed at one problem, not all cyclists.
So, the basic premise of going to someone else's home range and clogging up every road is rude enough in my opinion. Then throw in about one third of the riders were typical militant, entitled cyclist A-hole$ riding three abreast and flipping motorists off whenever they dared to touch a horn. At least one parish passed a law that more than 10 riders in a group had to obtain a parade permit and a police escort to ride those roads. And they had to STAY TOGETHER. And you know what? They freaking deserved every bit of that treatment from lawmakers. I gave up riding with them long, long ago.
Two sides to every story. The laws were strictly aimed at one problem, not all cyclists.
No, I understand that, but this law is all over the barn and doesn't stick to just addressing that problem. Plus, if you're a local or you don't have a car, apparently you can engage in all of that jackassery.
10-25-18, 02:41 PM
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Except for the cycling "clubs" and tour groups, there really is no issue. At least lawmakers are targeting the problem instead of including the innocent parties who are just trying to go to work or catch a fitness ride with one or two buds. Or the dude/dudette cycling cross-country just a one-time deal. The "Over 10 in a group" law worked just fine until some judge intervened. Not sure why the law went away really.
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Except for the cycling "clubs" and tour groups, there really is no issue. At least lawmakers are targeting the problem instead of including the innocent parties who are just trying to go to work or catch a fitness ride with one or two buds. Or the dude/dudette cycling cross-country just a one-time deal. The "Over 10 in a group" law worked just fine until some judge intervened. Not sure why the law went away really.
Reread the ordinance--a whole bunch of requirements go into place as soon as it's two buds on a fitness ride that aren't imposed on a single person taking a fitness ride. The exception is for an individual rider, that means one.
This ordinance is a complete mess.
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State bicycle laws in Louisiana preempt local municipal and parish ordinances. No matter if they are nutty or not nutty. See my reply earlier.
(Have to comment that as laws that either don’t apply to you or aren’t enforced against you are “just fine” with you. You ought to ask your neighbors on the other side of City Park if $920 is literally a “just fine.”)
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10-25-18, 04:12 PM
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<br /><br />The cyclists who "invaded" their sleepy little environment on the regular, clogged their roads, then saluted them with a middle finger to boot, deserved to be banned IMO. I would have tried the same so long as I could exempt the innocent cyclists that were not causing problems. It is also just not smart to flip off Bubba who has two rifles in his truck window and a cow-catcher for a front bumper. There was lots of tension that the locals needed to relieve before it got too ugly. That "goofy" law worked just fine for some time.
<div style="text-align:left;"><br /><br />The judge intervened because law.<br /><br />State bicycle laws in Louisiana preempt local municipal and parish ordinances. No matter if they are nutty or not nutty. See my reply earlier.<br /><br />(Have to comment that as laws that either don’t apply to you or aren’t enforced against you are “just fine” with you. You ought to ask your neighbors on the other side of City Park if $920 is literally a “just fine.”)<br /><br />-mr. bill</div>
10-27-18, 03:59 PM
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Louisiana is 6th in the US in obesity, with 36.2% of adults being obese.
https://stateofobesity.org/adult-obesity/
Louisiana is 5th in percentage of adults surveyed at zero leisure-time physical activity.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity...eport_2010.pdf
There's also this:
Louisiana is 47th in percentage of adults with a high school education and 46th in percentage of adults with a Bachelor's degree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nal_attainment
and this:
Louisiana has the 49th worst poverty rate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_poverty_rate
And the 47th worst in terms of income disparity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ni_coefficient
If you're looking for a place who's government is effectively working for the benefit of all its citizens, I'm just not thinking this is the place.
In perusing LA data, a real shocker for me - though not terribly related to bicycling - is their maternal mortality rates. 45 deaths per 100,000 births, up from 35 just two years ago and more than twice the national average. That's slightly worse than the Gaza Strip (2015 data).
https://www.americashealthrankings.o...ality/state/LA
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...elds/2223.html
https://stateofobesity.org/adult-obesity/
Louisiana is 5th in percentage of adults surveyed at zero leisure-time physical activity.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity...eport_2010.pdf
There's also this:
Louisiana is 47th in percentage of adults with a high school education and 46th in percentage of adults with a Bachelor's degree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nal_attainment
and this:
Louisiana has the 49th worst poverty rate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_poverty_rate
And the 47th worst in terms of income disparity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ni_coefficient
If you're looking for a place who's government is effectively working for the benefit of all its citizens, I'm just not thinking this is the place.
In perusing LA data, a real shocker for me - though not terribly related to bicycling - is their maternal mortality rates. 45 deaths per 100,000 births, up from 35 just two years ago and more than twice the national average. That's slightly worse than the Gaza Strip (2015 data).
https://www.americashealthrankings.o...ality/state/LA
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...elds/2223.html
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What do you propose to remedy this? Calling people such and such on a website isn't it, that's forum self-gratification.
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I'd like to know the real extent of the "problem." In terms of the seconds or minutes robbed from the local's lives. Based on my observations and conversations with motorists, the "problem" really isn't. I get unduly delayed by other motorists every single day of my life than they do on any given weekend. Hell, I get delayed more by bad traffic engineering every day than those folks get delayed on any given weekend.
<br /><br />The cyclists who "invaded" their sleepy little environment on the regular, clogged their roads, then saluted them with a middle finger to boot, deserved to be banned IMO. I would have tried the same so long as I could exempt the innocent cyclists that were not causing problems. It is also just not smart to flip off Bubba who has two rifles in his truck window and a cow-catcher for a front bumper. There was lots of tension that the locals needed to relieve before it got too ugly. That "goofy" law worked just fine for some time.
11-02-18, 10:36 PM
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I don't know why you are getting that pop up. I have never had any issues accessing The Advocate. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Here's the details.
The ordinance includes the following new rules:
The fine for violation is $100. And the council specified that the rules do "not apply to homeowners or renters living and riding within their … subdivisions, major organized bike rides that are legally permitted … individual riders on cross-country rides … or citizens that use a bicycle as their main mode of transportation."
The ordinance includes the following new rules:
- That cyclists "wear an outer garment above the waist of which a majority of the material must be high visibility fluorescent colors and must have a forward and rear facing light with daylight visibility a minimum of one half a mile."
- That except for when passing, cyclists "will ride single file within two feet of the right hand side of the road" and "complete their passing procedure within 1/10 of a mile."
- And that cyclists "will ride in groups of no more than 10 riders with a minimum separation between cycling groups of at least a quarter mile."
The fine for violation is $100. And the council specified that the rules do "not apply to homeowners or renters living and riding within their … subdivisions, major organized bike rides that are legally permitted … individual riders on cross-country rides … or citizens that use a bicycle as their main mode of transportation."
High Vis. Ride as far right as possible, etc. Groups of more than 10 or 20 riders or so frequently become unwieldy.
I do like to ride side-by-side, when it is not a safety issue, or a hindrance to vehicle traffic.
Can we have lights and reflectors too?
11-03-18, 01:19 AM
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Back in the late '80s, early '90s I rode with a club called Crescent City Cyclists based in South Louisiana. We would drive up to various rural areas, meet up, and ride. It was supposed to be a "touring" club but plenty of roadies would join in the fun. On a pretty Saturday in the Spring we could get 100+ cyclists of all different capabilities and most rides had 15 mile, 25, mile, 50 mile, and 100K options. So basically 100 cyclists would leave the start en mass and clog up some road somewhere until the faster riders took off and the whole group spread out into smaller groups. Then as the groups/individuals branched out on the different routes we would literally fill up a 200 square mile patch of multiple counties (parishes) on many, many roads all at once.
So, the basic premise of going to someone else's home range and clogging up every road is rude enough in my opinion. Then throw in about one third of the riders were typical militant, entitled cyclist A-hole$ riding three abreast and flipping motorists off whenever they dared to touch a horn. At least one parish passed a law that more than 10 riders in a group had to obtain a parade permit and a police escort to ride those roads. And they had to STAY TOGETHER. And you know what? They freaking deserved every bit of that treatment from lawmakers. I gave up riding with them long, long ago.
Two sides to every story. The laws were strictly aimed at one problem, not all cyclists.
So, the basic premise of going to someone else's home range and clogging up every road is rude enough in my opinion. Then throw in about one third of the riders were typical militant, entitled cyclist A-hole$ riding three abreast and flipping motorists off whenever they dared to touch a horn. At least one parish passed a law that more than 10 riders in a group had to obtain a parade permit and a police escort to ride those roads. And they had to STAY TOGETHER. And you know what? They freaking deserved every bit of that treatment from lawmakers. I gave up riding with them long, long ago.
Two sides to every story. The laws were strictly aimed at one problem, not all cyclists.
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Most of that sounds like prudent riding.
High Vis. Ride as far right as possible, etc. Groups of more than 10 or 20 riders or so frequently become unwieldy.
I do like to ride side-by-side, when it is not a safety issue, or a hindrance to vehicle traffic.
Can we have lights and reflectors too?
High Vis. Ride as far right as possible, etc. Groups of more than 10 or 20 riders or so frequently become unwieldy.
I do like to ride side-by-side, when it is not a safety issue, or a hindrance to vehicle traffic.
Can we have lights and reflectors too?
The group riding and passing part of the law is essentially unenforceable.
11-03-18, 07:30 AM
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I don't like the requirement to stay within 2 feet of the edge of the road. That part of the law is in conflict with this part of the law that states when bicyclists can deviate from far right. 3) when reasonably necessary to avoid conditions that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, including a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
The group riding and passing part of the law is essentially unenforceable.
The group riding and passing part of the law is essentially unenforceable.
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You lost me there mate. The parish law says this:
"That except for when passing, cyclists "will ride single file within two feet of the right hand side of the road"
That appears to negate the state law that allows the cyclists to choose lane position based upon a number of considerations.
11-03-18, 03:32 PM
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You lost me there mate. The parish law says this:
"That except for when passing, cyclists "will ride single file within two feet of the right hand side of the road"
That appears to negate the state law that allows the cyclists to choose lane position based upon a number of considerations.
"That except for when passing, cyclists "will ride single file within two feet of the right hand side of the road"
That appears to negate the state law that allows the cyclists to choose lane position based upon a number of considerations.
11-03-18, 04:23 PM
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Thanks for the 'heads up'. I just have to find my 'phishing' rod, and bait the hook, lol
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