Chuckk

Schwinn-Campy double drilled hub on my 1983 Austro Daimler Superleicht
(quick release removed for blingity)

SJX426 

Chuckk Have a rear like that. Used it for a SS.
2010 Langster with Record rear hub, on Flickr

clubman 

Isn't that Feral boy from the Road Warrior?

ascherer 

Echoing “cant feel a difference” And “love the aesthetic”. I’ve not put a high flange on a dark rim but if that’s your jam, go right ahead.


It’s got a first edition Shimano 600 front and a SunXCD cassette hub in the rear.

Shimano vs. Sun.

orangeology

spread the love, pls. been looking for one. hard to find a front only, tho. high flange is hot.

SurferRosa

Scored some dark Mavic rims with Record hubs today off craigs for $80.




No skewers, which may be a pain to source. But the rims look great, and he threw in a Chorus seatpost for $20.

This will help meet my current black rim fascination ... maybe.

bikemig 

Good deal but the wheels may not go fast enough for you without hi flange hubs . . .

etherhuffer 

I would think that if you have a longer spoke, and a butted one, that it would have a longer length to stretch under tension. That would imply a stronger wheel due to ability to absorb more shock. Then, to be completely pedantic, the angle of the spoke is ever so slightly different between the low and high flange. I don't think anyone could feel a difference, but durability may be different. When I got back into riding I had a factory set of wheels with straight gauge spokes and broke a bunch before my friend convinced my to build my own with butted spokes. I have not broken a spoke in 12 years and the wheels are still true. I guess the third variable would be spoke tension too. That said, my physics and calculus books are going to stay on the shelf as neither one will change the fact that high flange hubs just look cool.

Pcampeau

Campy Record (no Record) hubs for my 1960 Carlton Franco Suisse. I’ve got some Nisi tubular rims I’m gonna lace these to eventually along with some Vittoria Corsa G+ Tubular tires. If it’s not fast it’ll be all my fault.


Do I look fast yet, or do you want me to build some wheels?

noglider 

If you read the book The Bicycle Wheel by Jobst Brandt, you will see several reasons why this isn't true. Firstly, tension doesn't increase as the wheel rolls; it decreases at the bottom of the wheel while the tension of all other spokes remains the same. Secondly, to the extent that the wheel deflects, it does so far, far less than a tire does, so any difference between two wheels cannot possibly be felt. Another point the author raises is that there is a theoretical difference between large flanges and small ones but the size needs to be significantly different. He determined that 35mm and 65mm are not sufficiently different to affect durability.

These are myths that have persisted in the bike world for generations. Double blind tests are virtually impossible to do on bikes, so we go with perception, and perception is based on a placebo effect. Brandt was a mechanical engineer, so he measured the forces at play.

There's no doubt that high flange hubs look cool. That's enough of a reason to use them. The other reasons don't hold water.

The experience you cite has two pairs of wheels. The factory-build wheels had straight gauge spokes, and the hand-built ones had butted spokes. There are two differences. I understand the theory about the superiority of butted spokes, and it may be true, but the hand building is a much bigger difference. There are tons of hand-built wheels with straight gauge spokes that have lasted for decades. You can't analyze that one factor makes a difference unless you isolate it. Your second pair of wheels has two changed factors.

obrentharris 

Beautiful!
Build thread with lot of pictures please.
Brent

steve sumner

to feel the difference between lo and high flange hubs the wheelsets need to be the same in all other ways
most importantly that they were built by the same builder. the difference is VERY subtle. when I switched from
high to lo flange I got less tired on all day (long) rides this was when I rode so much and was so one with the bike
that I could feel the differences in tire treads. I believe most people wouldn't feel the difference between hub sizes.
If you like the high flange look check out those made by my friend Curtis Odom

SJX426 

Pcampeau those hubs are not Record but Tipo. Campagnolo made this version for a number of brands. Most notably, Motobecane. as in 1972 Le Champion.
2008-06-01 15.25.53, on Flickr

Pcampeau

My hubs are Record not the 72/73 Motobecane Campy Tipo. They are very similar yes but there are differences. My hubs have an oil port and a Campagnolo world logo and yours have a winged logo and no oil port. I’ve got a 72/73 Le Champ too that I’ve not yet refurbished and you can clearly see the differences. The skewer nuts are different too as well as the level of finish on the bearing races. Record hubs came out in I think 1958 but it was 1963 or so before they ever stamped the word Record on them. If you zoom in on my photos you can see the difference.

Unrefurbished and as found.


Motobecane Campagnolo Tipo with winged logo

Record (no Record) with world logo and barely visible in my photo oil ports, record skewers, axle hardware, and skewer nuts.

SJX426 

Ahhh. missed the clips.

Narhay

Big hubs dark rims

SurferRosa

Is that combo a first for you? The rims def work with that frame. Though, I'm unsure on the hubs. Thanks for posting.

I tried out the look of the dark rimmed wheels I bought yesterday (posted above) on the subject bike, my black Miyata ... and it didn't work for me. The dark grey clashed with the frame. But the rims look great on my blue Bertoni, so that's where they're going.

My plan is to build up the high-flange hubs on new polished rims at some point and try again.

Last ride 76 

Hooray! (just personal opinion.)

Last ride 76 

Perfect wheels for track bike ridden on the road!

slenten

They always reminded me of these and their appeal to my hot rodding sensibility.

Never got to run Campy. Did run Maillard 700 pros, liked them so much I bought extras until I discovered Phil's. Have been running Velocity Road hubs
for a while. I always build 36x3, haven't noticed a difference between high and low flange with that assembly method. It's really down to rims and tires.

SurferRosa

Yep. For me, Cragars and Fuchs.

Kabuki12

Thank you for that . I added it to my reference library. They are really nice hubs , I still like the look of the Campy Record HF better but these roll better IMHO Joe

76SLT 

Maillard 700's on new VO 27" rims on my 71 Competition.

SurferRosa

Thinking of building them on new Mavic Open Elite polished rims. They're about the same weight (490 range) of Sun M13ii rims and only about $10 more (shipped).



I assume the labels can be partially removed to leave just the yellow Mavic label and maybe a little black around it.

Thoughts?