The go fast, high-flange hub thread
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Echoing “cant feel a difference” And “love the aesthetic”. I’ve not put a high flange on a dark rim but if that’s your jam, go right ahead.
It’s got a first edition Shimano 600 front and a SunXCD cassette hub in the rear.
Shimano vs. Sun.
It’s got a first edition Shimano 600 front and a SunXCD cassette hub in the rear.
Shimano vs. Sun.
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spread the love, pls. been looking for one. hard to find a front only, tho. high flange is hot.
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Scored some dark Mavic rims with Record hubs today off craigs for $80.
No skewers, which may be a pain to source. But the rims look great, and he threw in a Chorus seatpost for $20.
This will help meet my current black rim fascination ... maybe.
No skewers, which may be a pain to source. But the rims look great, and he threw in a Chorus seatpost for $20.
This will help meet my current black rim fascination ... maybe.
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Good deal but the wheels may not go fast enough for you without hi flange hubs . . .
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I would think that if you have a longer spoke, and a butted one, that it would have a longer length to stretch under tension. That would imply a stronger wheel due to ability to absorb more shock. Then, to be completely pedantic, the angle of the spoke is ever so slightly different between the low and high flange. I don't think anyone could feel a difference, but durability may be different. When I got back into riding I had a factory set of wheels with straight gauge spokes and broke a bunch before my friend convinced my to build my own with butted spokes. I have not broken a spoke in 12 years and the wheels are still true. I guess the third variable would be spoke tension too. That said, my physics and calculus books are going to stay on the shelf as neither one will change the fact that high flange hubs just look cool.
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Campy Record (no Record) hubs for my 1960 Carlton Franco Suisse. I’ve got some Nisi tubular rims I’m gonna lace these to eventually along with some Vittoria Corsa G+ Tubular tires. If it’s not fast it’ll be all my fault.
Do I look fast yet, or do you want me to build some wheels?
Do I look fast yet, or do you want me to build some wheels?
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I would think that if you have a longer spoke, and a butted one, that it would have a longer length to stretch under tension. That would imply a stronger wheel due to ability to absorb more shock. Then, to be completely pedantic, the angle of the spoke is ever so slightly different between the low and high flange. I don't think anyone could feel a difference, but durability may be different. When I got back into riding I had a factory set of wheels with straight gauge spokes and broke a bunch before my friend convinced my to build my own with butted spokes. I have not broken a spoke in 12 years and the wheels are still true. I guess the third variable would be spoke tension too. That said, my physics and calculus books are going to stay on the shelf as neither one will change the fact that high flange hubs just look cool.
These are myths that have persisted in the bike world for generations. Double blind tests are virtually impossible to do on bikes, so we go with perception, and perception is based on a placebo effect. Brandt was a mechanical engineer, so he measured the forces at play.
There's no doubt that high flange hubs look cool. That's enough of a reason to use them. The other reasons don't hold water.
The experience you cite has two pairs of wheels. The factory-build wheels had straight gauge spokes, and the hand-built ones had butted spokes. There are two differences. I understand the theory about the superiority of butted spokes, and it may be true, but the hand building is a much bigger difference. There are tons of hand-built wheels with straight gauge spokes that have lasted for decades. You can't analyze that one factor makes a difference unless you isolate it. Your second pair of wheels has two changed factors.
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Campy Record (no Record) hubs for my 1960 Carlton Franco Suisse. I’ve got some Nisi tubular rims I’m gonna lace these to eventually along with some Vittoria Corsa G+ Tubular tires. If it’s not fast it’ll be all my fault.
Do I look fast yet, or do you want me to build some wheels?
Do I look fast yet, or do you want me to build some wheels?
Build thread with lot of pictures please.
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to feel the difference between lo and high flange hubs the wheelsets need to be the same in all other ways
most importantly that they were built by the same builder. the difference is VERY subtle. when I switched from
high to lo flange I got less tired on all day (long) rides this was when I rode so much and was so one with the bike
that I could feel the differences in tire treads. I believe most people wouldn't feel the difference between hub sizes.
If you like the high flange look check out those made by my friend Curtis Odom
most importantly that they were built by the same builder. the difference is VERY subtle. when I switched from
high to lo flange I got less tired on all day (long) rides this was when I rode so much and was so one with the bike
that I could feel the differences in tire treads. I believe most people wouldn't feel the difference between hub sizes.
If you like the high flange look check out those made by my friend Curtis Odom
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Pcampeau those hubs are not Record but Tipo. Campagnolo made this version for a number of brands. Most notably, Motobecane. as in 1972 Le Champion.
2008-06-01 15.25.53, on Flickr
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Pcampeau those hubs are not Record but Tipo. Campagnolo made this version for a number of brands. Most notably, Motobecane. as in 1972 Le Champion.
2008-06-01 15.25.53, on Flickr
2008-06-01 15.25.53, on Flickr
Unrefurbished and as found.
Motobecane Campagnolo Tipo with winged logo
Record (no Record) with world logo and barely visible in my photo oil ports, record skewers, axle hardware, and skewer nuts.
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Ahhh. missed the clips.
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Is that combo a first for you? The rims def work with that frame. Though, I'm unsure on the hubs. Thanks for posting.
I tried out the look of the dark rimmed wheels I bought yesterday (posted above) on the subject bike, my black Miyata ... and it didn't work for me. The dark grey clashed with the frame. But the rims look great on my blue Bertoni, so that's where they're going.
My plan is to build up the high-flange hubs on new polished rims at some point and try again.
I tried out the look of the dark rimmed wheels I bought yesterday (posted above) on the subject bike, my black Miyata ... and it didn't work for me. The dark grey clashed with the frame. But the rims look great on my blue Bertoni, so that's where they're going.
My plan is to build up the high-flange hubs on new polished rims at some point and try again.
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Is that combo a first for you? The rims def work with that frame. Though, I'm unsure on the hubs. Thanks for posting.
I tried out the look of the dark rimmed wheels I bought yesterday (posted above) on the subject bike, my black Miyata ... and it didn't work for me. The dark grey clashed with the frame. But the rims look great on my blue Bertoni, so that's where they're going.
My plan is to build up the high-flange hubs on new polished rims at some point and try again.
I tried out the look of the dark rimmed wheels I bought yesterday (posted above) on the subject bike, my black Miyata ... and it didn't work for me. The dark grey clashed with the frame. But the rims look great on my blue Bertoni, so that's where they're going.
My plan is to build up the high-flange hubs on new polished rims at some point and try again.
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They always reminded me of these and their appeal to my hot rodding sensibility.
Never got to run Campy. Did run Maillard 700 pros, liked them so much I bought extras until I discovered Phil's. Have been running Velocity Road hubs
for a while. I always build 36x3, haven't noticed a difference between high and low flange with that assembly method. It's really down to rims and tires.
Never got to run Campy. Did run Maillard 700 pros, liked them so much I bought extras until I discovered Phil's. Have been running Velocity Road hubs
for a while. I always build 36x3, haven't noticed a difference between high and low flange with that assembly method. It's really down to rims and tires.
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I assume the labels can be partially removed to leave just the yellow Mavic label and maybe a little black around it.
Thoughts?