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Old 11-03-17, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
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Anyone know if the route is officially closed on 12/25 or any other holiday?
Something is opened, but not everything. Feel free to move about the place. All roads are open.

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Yes, I am sure there is some local ordinance about camping in the desert on public holidays, although the good thing about camping on holidays, it is allowed to have a beer for breakfast.
You have to wonder which is the bigger risk in Mexico, the banditos or the cops?

Public drunkenness is frowned on in Mexico. The bandidos most likely will not take your beer away. The bandidos con placas, [police,] might take your beer and your money.

Beer for breakfast? is that why you can not afford a new bicycle<?

You can pedal your bicycle down the baja for a month. See how mexicans live. See cowboys and cactus. See children playing and old women doing laundry. Not see a drunk in the streets. Then in La Paz see a gringo with a 40oz drinking outside the store. Makes me cry. Where does the term ugly americn come from. Ever seen a beached whale? The gringo whith the beer looks like a beached whale. Old women protecting their children from having to look at him ot listen to the sound of him.

If you only remember one thing thay I type, remember this

a sober person can have a nice time in Mexico

Public drunkenness is frowned on in Mexico. no. Public drunkenness is not tolerated in Mexico

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Originally Posted by indyfabz
..Anyone know if the route is officially closed on 12/25 or any other holiday?
i dunno, but guess maybe probably for sure.
i've read that "... they seem to have a lot of rules, 27.5 tyres,
bike bags not panniers, tubelss tyres, 1X gearing, no rohlofss etc."
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LMAssosO at this ^^^^^^^
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No Rohloff? I failed to read the fine print.
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Originally Posted by chrisx
No Rohloff? I failed to read the fine print.
I thought I read it on the website, but when I went back to look, I couldn't find it.
Maybe I read that somewhere else. In any case a Rohloff is out of my price range, could buy a decent 27.5 plus bike for the cost of a Rohloff.

They do go on and on about 27.5+ tubeless, it was a requirement for the group ride and highly recommended for everybody in the Baja.

Chrisx, lighten up a bit. Beer for breakfast is a joke, some say it is okay on holidays like Christmas, New year's, Mlk day, etc.

ps. love your pix and stories, keep them coming.

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Originally Posted by saddlesores
i dunno, but guess maybe probably for sure.
i've read that "... they seem to have a lot of rules, 27.5 tyres,
bike bags not panniers, tubelss tyres, 1X gearing, no rohlofss etc."
Keep sailing them over head.
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Originally Posted by willibrord

They do go on and on about 27.5+ tubeless, it was a requirement for the group ride and highly recommended for everybody in the Baja.

Chrisx, lighten up a bit. Beer for breakfast is a joke,
They said tubeless was required. Or it should be at least. If you do not have tubeless, they got you coverwed. TNT bicicletas in Ensenada sells 2 sizes of patch kits. Small and large, 40 or 100 patches. Get the large, I used all 40 of my patches in 10 days back in 2009. I started cutting them in half to make them last.

beer for breakfast
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link to beer for breakfast forum
https://forums.bajanomad.com/today.php

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Notional disaster

Careful this weekend as the U.S. Department of Defense has planned a notional mass coronal ejection, which means disruption of power and communications. Maybe one should wait till the end of the month.
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Careful this weekend as the U.S. Department of Defense has planned a notional mass coronal ejection, which means disruption of power and communications. Maybe one should wait till the end of the month.
https://www.snopes.com/dod-drill-coi...emonstrations/
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Originally Posted by chrisx
...stunning (IMO: BA) images...
Nice work on the images!

BTW: I like you journal-post-writings too!

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Originally Posted by Aidoneus
Careful this weekend as the U.S. Department of Defense has planned a notional mass coronal ejection, which means disruption of power and communications. Maybe one should wait till the end of the month.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard...lares-and-cmes



I can ride my bicycle without electricty. Maybe my mind will clear up if a solar flare takes out all the satellites. No phone, no wifi, no problem.

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Originally Posted by chrisx
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard...lares-and-cmes



I can ride my bicycle without electricty. Maybe my mind will clear up if a solar flare takes out all the satellites. No phone, no wifi, no problem.
well its all a hoax anyway..

Thanks for your email. Yes the ARRL announcement about this exercise is legitimate. The coronal mass ejection scenario is simulated…notional. Resulting from the CME is the simulated…notional power and communication outages. These events are all notional…simulated. There is no actual power or comms outages that will occur in conjunction with this exercise. We have done this exercise every quarter since 2013. Our primary focus is to work with the amateur radio operators to collect real world county status reports…basically are the lights on…is water still running…how’s the medical situation at hospitals…etc.
The average citizen will not even know this exercise is taking place. Our focus is to interoperate with the amateur radio community.
Its just a simulation. And as you pointed out it would have less effect in Baja than Stateside.

chrisx you have a lot of info, stories and pix of Baja. Do you have a website or anything where this stuff is posted? It sure would be a useful resource.
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Originally Posted by willibrord
well its all a hoax anyway..Its just a simulation. And as you pointed out it would have less effect in Baja than Stateside..
yebbut, what ya gonna do when norf korea 'splodes an emp over san diego?

there goes your di2 and your gps and your cellphone and your
bluetoof water bottle that tells you when to pee, and then what?

maybe when your hybrid carbon-bamboo bike assplodes, you can use
the sharp pointy bits to slay the morning beer drinking zombies.
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Originally Posted by saddlesores
yebbut, what ya gonna do when norf korea 'splodes an emp over san diego?

there goes your di2 and your gps and your cellphone and your
bluetoof water bottle that tells you when to pee, and then what?

maybe when your hybrid carbon-bamboo bike assplodes, you can use
the sharp pointy bits to slay the morning beer drinking zombies.
A hybrid carbon bamboo bike is my ultimate dream bike and I can think of worse places to be than Mexico when the big one goes off. Maybe not Baja, though. A little too close to the States.
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Originally Posted by chrisx
They said tubeless was required. Or it should be at least. If you do not have tubeless, they got you coverwed. TNT bicicletas in Ensenada sells 2 sizes of patch kits. Small and large, 40 or 100 patches. Get the large, I used all 40 of my patches in 10 days back in 2009. I started cutting them in half to make them last.
I absolutely believe you. The stuff I've read of parts of the divide ride where sealant will save your keester must be the same as you describe. I've never ridden in goat thorn or whatever they are called areas, so never had to deal with so many flats. It must have gotten tired pretty quickly....
On my trip I was very fortunate, not one flat. Expected lots but managed to avoid them despite all the broken glass in Guatemala especially. I was always quick to stop and clean my tires whenever I rode through sharp looking stuff.
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Originally Posted by saddlesores
yebbut, what ya gonna do when norf korea 'splodes an emp over san diego?

there goes your di2 and your gps and your cellphone and your
bluetoof water bottle that tells you when to pee, and then what?like I said, I have a paper map and a compas

maybe when your hybrid carbon-bamboo bike assplodes, you can use
the sharp pointy bits to slay the morning beer drinking zombies.
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sometimes the mesquite can be worse than the goatheads....

the photo is from myanmar, in the hot+dry bagan temple
zone, but this stuff is everywhere...including usa southwest
and western australia

this from the global invasive species database for myanmar:

"Members of the genus Prosopis spp., which are commonly known as mesquite or algarrobo, include at least 44 defined species and many hybrids. This leads to problems with identification. For this reason, information about different species in the Prosopis genus is presented in this genus-level profile. Native to the Americas, Prosopis species are fast growing, nitrogen fixing and very salt and drought tolerant shrubs or trees. Most are thorny, although thornless types are known. Animals eat the pods and may spread seeds widely. Trees develop a shrubby growth form if cut or grazed. The four main species that have presented problems as weeds world-wide are P. glandulosa and P. velutina in more subtropical regions and P. juliflora and P. pallida in the truly tropical zone."
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I never knew the name of it, but that looks like a plant that was often near the side of the road a lot in southern Mexico.
Like I said, I've never done off road tours, but very much get an inkling of the challenges faced from this stuff.

Sealant in tubes or tubeless with sealant would be a whole new set of skills for me to learn to live and work with .
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Thinking about doing this ride late next summer after going down the West coast. What would you say is an average amount of time that this route takes?
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Thinking about doing this ride late next summer after going down the West coast. What would you say is an average amount of time that this route takes?
According to the website, 1700 miles at 35 or 45 miles per day. So 35 days or so at an average of 40 miles a day.
All the usual caveats about fitness, weather, rest days etc.

I hope chrisx chimes in, he is an expert on this area.
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Originally Posted by antmaster5000
Thinking about doing this ride late next summer
Originally Posted by chrisx
Today 2 November is the offical opening day of the Baja Divide route.
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Maybe that was supposed to be a joke: ride your bicycle through an isolated desert in the summer?

Go to washington or British Columbia in the summer.

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Maybe that was supposed to be a joke: ride your bicycle through an isolated desert in the summer?

Go to washington or British Columbia in the summer.
Would be starting in Wa mid august and going through Mexico (Seattlite here) so the Baja Divide would be on the way. Yeah not optimal for temperature but I figure by mid Sept it will be a bit cooler? Still very tentative I just want to figure my options out.
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Originally Posted by antmaster5000
I figure by mid Sept it will be a bit cooler?
could be a mistake

I went through 18 liters of water in 40 hours in a baja heat wave last March. This september I saw 106 fahrenheit near Legget California.

A few septembers ago, in a heat wave, I came across delirious people lost in the desert near parque 1857, Baja Norte. First, a young man, headed back for water. I pulled out 1 liter drank half, and gave him half. a couple of miles down the road, a pretty young lady, delirious. I gave her 1 full liter. She refused to drink. She was saving it for her little nina. Another few miles, I found a 3 year old girl sitting under a tree. I had a 5 liter bottle of water to share with her. The little girl wanted to save the water for mama. She did drink some though. It was at least a few hours before we found mama again. We each drank a liter or more. Another few hours, and we find papa and a search party. A waterless search party.

Get the picture?
Heat and dehydration cause people to make mistakes.
This story has a happy ending. In september 2016, I read a similar story in the paper, it ended in death

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