Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

The Look: Skinwall v. Blackwall

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

The Look: Skinwall v. Blackwall

Old 12-29-18, 04:19 PM
  #51  
Chombi1 
Senior Member
 
Chombi1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,765
Mentioned: 89 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 971 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
Retro skins are seen in the pro peloton. Must be some secret sauce in them or something.
Not secret sauce,.....more like "Mojo"!
Chombi1 is offline  
Old 12-31-18, 12:26 PM
  #52  
SlowJoeCrow
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Central Oregon
Posts: 400

Bikes: Redline Conquest Pro, Kona Cinder Cone, Trek Fuel EX8

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
I think most classic bikes look more "right" with skinwalls because that is what they would have had originally. Modern road bikes look anachronistic with skinwalls except for cyclocross bikes which look more right with skinwalls because they look like the tubular tires on race bikes,
SlowJoeCrow is offline  
Old 12-31-18, 12:37 PM
  #53  
PizzaPi4Me
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Gummies all the way for everything ever. I don't even care if it's a super aero track bike, I'm putting gumwalls on it. That said, I do have all black Conti ultra sports on my polo bike, but that's only cause they were cheap, in stock and I don't care about aesthetics on that bike.
I'll post pics of my touring bike once I'm up to ten posts on here.
PizzaPi4Me is offline  
Old 12-31-18, 12:51 PM
  #54  
980C Rider
Banned.
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Virginia
Posts: 23

Bikes: Vintage 1992 Giant 980 C roadbike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Fahrenheit531 View Post
Until last night I'd only ever seen my Volare with full-black tires; I was surprised how much skinwalls change the overall look of the bike:





My wife thinks it looks lighter, as in weighs less, with the skinwalls (I can almost see that and I suppose it actually does, by a negligible amount). And the black to me looks faster, or maybe more serious about going faster.

Pure subjective silliness, that, but the bike does look quite different and I'm almost second-guessing the white tape now. We'll give that some time. But I'm sure there are other shots out there of the same bike with both skinwalls and blackwalls... let's do some compare and contrast.
Of the two pics, the blackwalls do make it look faster while the skinwalls make it look lighter.

On a personal note, it's nice to see another rider that still uses clips and straps...
980C Rider is offline  
Old 12-31-18, 01:42 PM
  #55  
jefscolnago
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Bucks Co. PA
Posts: 30

Bikes: Colnago, Seven, Campy equipped, tubies

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Fahrenheit531 View Post
Until last night I'd only ever seen my Volare with full-black tires; I was surprised how much skinwalls change the overall look of the bike:





My wife thinks it looks lighter, as in weighs less, with the skinwalls (I can almost see that and I suppose it actually does, by a negligible amount). And the black to me looks faster, or maybe more serious about going faster.

Pure subjective silliness, that, but the bike does look quite different and I'm almost second-guessing the white tape now. We'll give that some time. But I'm sure there are other shots out there of the same bike with both skinwalls and blackwalls... let's do some compare and contrast.
Not always true but on that specific bike, the black makes it pop... and I mean *POP! The skinwalls, as pictured, act almost more like camouflage and as you can see, the bike actually starts to **fade into the background.
* good
** not good
jefscolnago is offline  
Old 12-31-18, 04:19 PM
  #56  
Fahrenheit531 
50th Anniversary Edition
Thread Starter
 
Fahrenheit531's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 3,457

Bikes: Schwinn Paramount ('71) and Volare ('78); Raleigh Competition GS ('79)

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 546 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 32 Posts
Originally Posted by jefscolnago View Post
Not always true but on that specific bike, the black makes it pop... and I mean *POP! The skinwalls, as pictured, act almost more like camouflage and as you can see, the bike actually starts to **fade into the background.
* good
** not good
Yeah, I think this about sums it up. Turns out Compass does make this tire in full black... I just don't want to plunk down the price of admission for another set. I'm sure I'll come up with something. Eventually. Dang it.
Originally Posted by 980C Rider View Post
On a personal note, it's nice to see another rider that still uses clips and straps...
You'll see more than a few bikes running clips and straps here in the C&V.
__________________
A race bike in any era is a highly personal choice that at its "best" balances the requirements of fit, weight, handling, durability and cost tempered by the willingness to toss it and oneself down the pavement at considerable speed. ~Bandera
Fahrenheit531 is offline  
Old 12-31-18, 04:55 PM
  #57  
JohnDThompson 
Old fart
 
JohnDThompson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Appleton WI
Posts: 20,410

Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.

Mentioned: 110 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1700 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 44 Posts
I guess I'm showing my age, but all black sidewalls remind me too much of the nasty, thick, heavy K-mart tires BITD. The best tires had thin, supple, tan colored sidewalls.

I know modern tires shouldn't be characterized in this way, but it's still the first thing I think when I see a bike with all-black sidewall tires.
JohnDThompson is offline  
Old 01-01-19, 12:47 AM
  #58  
980C Rider
Banned.
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Virginia
Posts: 23

Bikes: Vintage 1992 Giant 980 C roadbike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Fahrenheit531 View Post
Yeah, I think this about sums it up. Turns out Compass does make this tire in full black... I just don't want to plunk down the price of admission for another set. I'm sure I'll come up with something. Eventually. Dang it.

You'll see more than a few bikes running clips and straps here in the C&V.
Good, I was getting more than tired of seeing clipless pedals and cleats.
I can't use clipless pedals, I wear a size 15, and so far, I haven't found anyone that makes a cleat in a 15 (not only that, but I like using clips and straps on my vintage bike).
Then, there's the problem I have with turning my left ankle the right way to release the pedal (my left fibula was shattered back in '85, so I have nerve damage as well as muscular weakness), which is the main reason I ride for exercise.
980C Rider is offline  
Old 01-01-19, 04:54 AM
  #59  
Trakhak
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 1,699
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 366 Post(s)
Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
I guess I'm showing my age, but all black sidewalls remind me too much of the nasty, thick, heavy K-mart tires BITD. The best tires had thin, supple, tan colored sidewalls.

I know modern tires shouldn't be characterized in this way, but it's still the first thing I think when I see a bike with all-black sidewall tires.
Absolutely agree, but we both developed our taste in bikes in the 1960s and '70s. Younger folk can't understand.
Trakhak is offline  
Old 01-03-19, 11:15 PM
  #60  
mech986
Senior Member
 
mech986's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: La Habra, California
Posts: 375

Bikes: Italvega Super Speciales and Superlights

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 175 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts



I prefer gumwall tan on my Italvegas, partly because Im running 35s and 32s for Eroica California and I like the way they look.. Heres my brown 72 Italvega Super Speciale as configured for Eroica 2017, 2018, and 2019. Running Compass Bon Jon Pass Extralights in 700C x 35. Had about 1500 miles on it before the first flat in early 2018. Currently on a second set with 800 miles so far. If you look closely you can see the extended long cage I put on my NR rear derailleur for 18 and 19.

the other Blue and Brown bikes were setup for Display at the Concours so also had gumwalls.

Last edited by mech986; 01-03-19 at 11:24 PM.
mech986 is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 10:53 AM
  #61  
USAZorro
Seor Member
 
USAZorro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Florence, KY
Posts: 16,214

Bikes: Mostly English - predominantly Raleighs

Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 695 Post(s)
Liked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Seeing the thread title, I came in thinking, "skinwall always looks better". Then I saw the OP's first picture and realized there are rare exceptions.

How a tire rides is my #1 criteria, and good tanwall (if not skinwall), tires seem to have ride characteristics that don't disappoint.
__________________
In search of what to search for.
USAZorro is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 12:14 PM
  #62  
Salamandrine 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4,894

Bikes: 78 Masi Criterium, 68 PX10, 2016 Mercian King of Mercia, Rivendell Clem Smith Jr

Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1718 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 36 Times in 24 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
I guess I'm showing my age, but all black sidewalls remind me too much of the nasty, thick, heavy K-mart tires BITD. The best tires had thin, supple, tan colored sidewalls.

I know modern tires shouldn't be characterized in this way, but it's still the first thing I think when I see a bike with all-black sidewall tires.
I must be showing my age too. Yeah, BITD only cheap heavy utility tires were all black. Every serious cycling enthusiast associated them with cheap bikes. Performance bikes always had skinwall tires -- no exceptions. Therefore, if the goal is to restore a vintage bike to a period correct look, skinwalls are the only option.

That being so, I have to say that modern blackwalls have grown on me. I don't really miss the dirty stained sidewalls that skinwalls inevitably get after the first couple rides. The extra UV protection doesn't hurt either.

BITD skinwalls were used because of the way sew ups were made. The casings were fabric with a thin coating of liquid latex. The black rubber treads were glued on separately. They needed to be black because the tread rubber had carbon in it for long wear. The sidewalls did not need this. When lightweight clinchers came out, they were constructed similarly and had therefore had the same skinwall look. Nowadays it seems that most tires are constructed in full sized injection molds, and to make the sides a different color is a fashion choice rather than an artifact of their construction method.
Salamandrine is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 12:39 PM
  #63  
abshipp 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Rockford IL
Posts: 361

Bikes: 1977 Schwinn Super Le Tour 12.2 Chrome, 1981 Trek 716, 1986 Schwinn Passage Single Speed, 2010 Banshee Paradox, Velo Orange Polyvalent MKIII

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 161 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 8 Posts
Tan:



vs Black:



I'm pretty sure that I actually prefer the black-wall tires on this particular bike. I don't know, it goes back and forth.

Anything painted I exclusively prefer skinwall tires, though. Especially lighter colored frames. Baby blue with skinwall tires is probably my favorite color combination.
abshipp is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 12:51 PM
  #64  
ScottRyder 
Senior Member
 
ScottRyder's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The other Cape, Cape Ann
Posts: 3,036

Bikes: vintagefuji.posthaven.com

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 44 Post(s)
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by tkamd73 View Post
Looks better with black sidewalls. In my opinion most CV bikes do, although not period correct. Ive kind of compromised by using Gatorskins which have a dark brown sidewall. Really though, nice looking bike either way.
Tim
I totally agree, the Gatorskins are a nice option.





Scott
ScottRyder is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 01:18 PM
  #65  
Salamandrine 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4,894

Bikes: 78 Masi Criterium, 68 PX10, 2016 Mercian King of Mercia, Rivendell Clem Smith Jr

Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1718 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 36 Times in 24 Posts
Originally Posted by ScottRyder View Post
I totally agree, the Gatorskins are a nice option.
Yep. +1 Dark brown is nice too. Continental bike tires have had the brown sidewalls since at least the early 80s, when they were first becoming available in the US. It was always their trademark. They may go back to the 70s in Europe. I don't know. Anyone? At any rate they actually are period correct on 80s bikes, if anyone cares. I was certainly using Conti tires back then, because they were durable and lasted a long time. They used to make a sales pitch about their synthetic casing fabric, which was somewhat unusual at the time.
Salamandrine is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 01:48 PM
  #66  
Chombi1 
Senior Member
 
Chombi1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,765
Mentioned: 89 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 971 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
Yep. +1 Dark brown is nice too. Continental bike tires have had the brown sidewalls since at least the early 80s, when they were first becoming available in the US. It was always their trademark. They may go back to the 70s in Europe. I don't know. Anyone? At any rate they actually are period correct on 80s bikes, if anyone cares. I was certainly using Conti tires back then, because they were durable and lasted a long time. They used to make a sales pitch about their synthetic casing fabric, which was somewhat unusual at the time.
I call the color of those Continental sidewalks "Coca Cola"........ because it is pretty much the color of the drink.....
I find them a bit to dark to the point that they sometimes look like black walls when they get dirty.....
Conti does still have lighter colored sidewalls for their tubular tires though.....
Chombi1 is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 02:01 PM
  #67  
tkamd73
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Menomonee Falls, WI
Posts: 440

Bikes: 1984 Schwinn Supersport, 1988 Trek 400t, 1977 Trek TX900, 1982 Bianchi Champione del Mondo, 1988 Trek 400 Elance, 1978 Raleigh Supercourse, 1991 PDG Paramount OS

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 146 Post(s)
Liked 11 Times in 11 Posts
I agree, the Continental coca-cola sidewalls do look black when dirty. Conversely the skin or gum wall tires look dirty when they get dirty.
Tim
tkamd73 is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 02:31 PM
  #68  
Chombi1 
Senior Member
 
Chombi1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,765
Mentioned: 89 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 971 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Funny thing is, what gets skin walls dirty the most is not really mud or dirt, but the carbon black coming from tire dust on the streets and from your black brake pads.....and the latex on the sidewalls just really drinks it up!
Chombi1 is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 02:45 PM
  #69  
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 41,625

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 188 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6838 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 217 Times in 180 Posts
Sidewall reflective bands .. to be Seen..
fietsbob is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 09:04 PM
  #70  
Fahrenheit531 
50th Anniversary Edition
Thread Starter
 
Fahrenheit531's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 3,457

Bikes: Schwinn Paramount ('71) and Volare ('78); Raleigh Competition GS ('79)

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 546 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 32 Posts
@abshipp HA! Totally thought I was looking at two different bikes due to the different colors reflected in the chrome.
__________________
A race bike in any era is a highly personal choice that at its "best" balances the requirements of fit, weight, handling, durability and cost tempered by the willingness to toss it and oneself down the pavement at considerable speed. ~Bandera
Fahrenheit531 is offline  
Old 01-04-19, 11:08 PM
  #71  
SurferRosa
Senior Member
 
SurferRosa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 899

Bikes: old school 531c & campy

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 371 Post(s)
Liked 48 Times in 34 Posts
Originally Posted by cudak8888




... the moral of this story is ...
"V" for Victory!
SurferRosa is offline  
Old 01-05-19, 08:27 AM
  #72  
greg3rd48 
Senior Member
 
greg3rd48's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Bronx, NYC
Posts: 1,730

Bikes: '19 Fuji Gran Fondo 1.5, '72 Peugeot PX10, '74 Peugeot U08, '78 Fuji Newest, '89 Fuji Ace, '94 Cannondale R600

Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 222 Post(s)
Liked 8 Times in 7 Posts
Skinwalls defintely fit the bill on some bikes. At least they do on these two in my opinion.




On the other hand sometimes black is just the obvious choice.

greg3rd48 is online now  
Old 01-05-19, 10:25 AM
  #73  
jimmuller 
What??? Only 2 wheels?
 
jimmuller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Boston-ish, MA
Posts: 13,066

Bikes: 73 Raleigh Carlton Gran Sport, 72 Peugeot UO-8, 82 Peugeot TH8, 87 Bianchi Brava, 76? Masi Grand Criterium, 87 Centurion Ironman Expert, 74 Motobecane Champion Team, 86 & 77 Gazelle champion mondial, 81? Grandis, 82? Tommasini, 83 Peugeot PFN10

Mentioned: 169 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1049 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 11 Posts
Originally Posted by greg3rd48 View Post
...sometimes black is just the obvious choice.

That bike does look good in black. My black Bianchi, equipped with lights and a generator hub for dark-time commuting, looks good with Gatorskins which are dark brown. Otherwise, gumwall or skinwall or road-dirtied yellow that looks more or less like gum/skinwall.

Ever worn black running shoes? They feel heavier than the same model shoe in white. Black shoes just add weight.
__________________
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
jimmuller is offline  
Old 01-05-19, 05:50 PM
  #74  
Fahrenheit531 
50th Anniversary Edition
Thread Starter
 
Fahrenheit531's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 3,457

Bikes: Schwinn Paramount ('71) and Volare ('78); Raleigh Competition GS ('79)

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 546 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 32 Posts
Originally Posted by greg3rd48 View Post
I freaking love this Fuji, and I've now got a new target when it comes to brake cable lines. Continental GP Classics are definitely a favorite tire of mine. Both the look and the ride.
__________________
A race bike in any era is a highly personal choice that at its "best" balances the requirements of fit, weight, handling, durability and cost tempered by the willingness to toss it and oneself down the pavement at considerable speed. ~Bandera
Fahrenheit531 is offline  
Old 01-06-19, 06:41 PM
  #75  
980C Rider
Banned.
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Virginia
Posts: 23

Bikes: Vintage 1992 Giant 980 C roadbike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
I guess I'm showing my age, but all black sidewalls remind me too much of the nasty, thick, heavy K-mart tires BITD. The best tires had thin, supple, tan colored sidewalls.

I know modern tires shouldn't be characterized in this way, but it's still the first thing I think when I see a bike with all-black sidewall tires.
Not just your age, I'd imagine lots of riders in this C & V forums are of similar ages, me? I'm double-nickel, 55 for those that don't speak trucker.
980C Rider is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.