Caught on cam: Bicycle crushed by tanker truck
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But you haven't so keep on chirping..........
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As I mentioned in another post a while ago, log truck trailers track much better than other big rig trailers (and, thus, are safer on narrow winding roads).
It is quite possible that a log truck could have made that turn without hopping the curb and crushing the woman's bike, although certainly they aren't without danger.
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This is a story from Minneapolis in 2011, Audrey (Kimberly Yeong Sil) Hull crushed by side-dumper on U of MN campus - https://www.twincities.com/2011/04/2...-in-dinkytown/
My take on this story - I understand the turning radius of heavy trucks because I drove them for years. But it's total BS to expect every road user to understand the room a heavy truck needs, it is the commercial drivers responsibility to know the space around their vehicle is clear and safe while driving on public streets.
My take on this story - I understand the turning radius of heavy trucks because I drove them for years. But it's total BS to expect every road user to understand the room a heavy truck needs, it is the commercial drivers responsibility to know the space around their vehicle is clear and safe while driving on public streets.
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The cyclist did nothing wrong. The only thing she is guilty of is her keen sense of her surroundings and quick response to an imminent threat. The lesson to be leaned here is no different than that of defensive driving: watch out for rogue drivers not paying attention to the road.
I would hang the truck driver IF the cyclist had cleared the front of the truck and then he had re-passed her and THEN right hooked her. That is negligence. But I don't think she passed him. She hung next to him. When I'm coming up onto a trucker, I look into his mirror to see if he sees me. If not, I'm staying behind.
She's riding along without a clue of what is going on. She put herself into that bad position. Hopefully she'll learn not to do that again, but I'm doubtful. Too many cyclists assume they are seen. As an operator of a vehicle that is much smaller, the majority of the responsibility for your safety, Is you.
When you're 6 feet under, it doesn't matter who's fault it is.
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You're making the assumption the truck driver did not check his mirrors or is not paying attention. Humans are no where near perfect. Perhaps he did check his mirrors and honestly did not see her. Now what? This is why drivers are often not cited. We don't hang people for an honest accident. In public, nothing is 100%. Let's be adults here.
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What it means not to “see” something that is visible in one’s mirror or field of vision is an interesting question on the cognitive and ethical/legal levels. Just saying that, however, explains nothing and should not be considered exculpatory.
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I can remember warnings about trucks from long before I started driving.
I'm trying to think back to the State Driver's manual. Perhaps I'll snag another (new) copy.
I think most of it concentrated on the rules of the road. Signs, lanes, turning, etc.
However, it also needs a section on sharing the road with other road users (bikes, cars, trucks, etc). And, if half the road users have towed a trailer sometime, there should even be instruction on small trailers.
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I suppose I'm sitting here wondering WHY one shouldn't expect road users to understand road safety.
I can remember warnings about trucks from long before I started driving.
I'm trying to think back to the State Driver's manual. Perhaps I'll snag another (new) copy.
I think most of it concentrated on the rules of the road. Signs, lanes, turning, etc.
However, it also needs a section on sharing the road with other road users (bikes, cars, trucks, etc). And, if half the road users have towed a trailer sometime, there should even be instruction on small trailers.
I can remember warnings about trucks from long before I started driving.
I'm trying to think back to the State Driver's manual. Perhaps I'll snag another (new) copy.
I think most of it concentrated on the rules of the road. Signs, lanes, turning, etc.
However, it also needs a section on sharing the road with other road users (bikes, cars, trucks, etc). And, if half the road users have towed a trailer sometime, there should even be instruction on small trailers.
A friend of the family had his son's foot crushed by a semi trailer that went up over a curb. The driver knew they were waiting at this corner for the crosswalk and still managed to misjudge and send his rear wheels heading right for this kid. It is no different than the OP lady failing to realize that the rear of the truck wasn't going to follow the same line as the front.
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I suppose I'm sitting here wondering WHY one shouldn't expect road users to understand road safety.
I can remember warnings about trucks from long before I started driving.
I'm trying to think back to the State Driver's manual. Perhaps I'll snag another (new) copy.
I think most of it concentrated on the rules of the road. Signs, lanes, turning, etc.
However, it also needs a section on sharing the road with other road users (bikes, cars, trucks, etc). And, if half the road users have towed a trailer sometime, there should even be instruction on small trailers.
I can remember warnings about trucks from long before I started driving.
I'm trying to think back to the State Driver's manual. Perhaps I'll snag another (new) copy.
I think most of it concentrated on the rules of the road. Signs, lanes, turning, etc.
However, it also needs a section on sharing the road with other road users (bikes, cars, trucks, etc). And, if half the road users have towed a trailer sometime, there should even be instruction on small trailers.
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Oregon has a driver's manual one gets for free at the DMV, and I read it cover to cover... well... over 35 years ago. So, hopefully it filled in some of the holes in my parent's knowledge.
I know a few things have changed in my lifetime including new road markings (those triangle yield marks at roundabouts, as well as sharrows), so perhaps the kids getting some book knowledge too isn't a bad thing.
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I'm not talking about the nuts and bolts like road markings. Yes, those are covered by the book. I'm talking about the stuff you learned from your grandfather. The driver's ed course I took included a lot of that kind of information- not just the nuts and bolts, but all the why's and how's. Things that, while maybe not illegal, are still things to be avoided. Or things that are not mandatory, but good practices.
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I'm not talking about the nuts and bolts like road markings. Yes, those are covered by the book. I'm talking about the stuff you learned from your grandfather. The driver's ed course I took included a lot of that kind of information- not just the nuts and bolts, but all the why's and how's. Things that, while maybe not illegal, are still things to be avoided. Or things that are not mandatory, but good practices.
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You're making the assumption the truck driver did not check his mirrors or is not paying attention. Humans are no where near perfect. Perhaps he did check his mirrors and honestly did not see her. Now what? This is why drivers are often not cited. We don't hang people for an honest accident. In public, nothing is 100%. Let's be adults here.
I would hang the truck driver IF the cyclist had cleared the front of the truck and then he had re-passed her and THEN right hooked her. That is negligence. But I don't think she passed him. She hung next to him. When I'm coming up onto a trucker, I look into his mirror to see if he sees me. If not, I'm staying behind.
She's riding along without a clue of what is going on. She put herself into that bad position. Hopefully she'll learn not to do that again, but I'm doubtful. Too many cyclists assume they are seen. As an operator of a vehicle that is much smaller, the majority of the responsibility for your safety, Is you.
When you're 6 feet under, it doesn't matter who's fault it is.
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This is a story from Minneapolis in 2011, Audrey (Kimberly Yeong Sil) Hull crushed by side-dumper on U of MN campus - https://www.twincities.com/2011/04/2...-in-dinkytown/
My take on this story - I understand the turning radius of heavy trucks because I drove them for years. But it's total BS to expect every road user to understand the room a heavy truck needs, it is the commercial drivers responsibility to know the space around their vehicle is clear and safe while driving on public streets.
My take on this story - I understand the turning radius of heavy trucks because I drove them for years. But it's total BS to expect every road user to understand the room a heavy truck needs, it is the commercial drivers responsibility to know the space around their vehicle is clear and safe while driving on public streets.
What i notice about your trucks is the rear axles are set so close to the end of the trailer. So they have a particularly long wheelbase, and therefore a large turning circle. Over here, ours tend to have very long rear overhangs, with the axles far closer to the front.
This helps trucks turn in tighter spaces (essential for our relatively smaller roads) although it does create major tail-swing. That's also a science some are unaware of, and so in the case of driving on the right, a truck turning right isn't the only danger - a cyclist riding kerbside can also have their door shut by a truck turning left!
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Of course walk a mile in the other person's shoes goes both ways: perhaps commercial driving school should require a day of roadway biking experience.
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I suppose I'm sitting here wondering WHY one shouldn't expect road users to understand road safety.
I can remember warnings about trucks from long before I started driving.
I'm trying to think back to the State Driver's manual. Perhaps I'll snag another (new) copy.
I think most of it concentrated on the rules of the road. Signs, lanes, turning, etc.
However, it also needs a section on sharing the road with other road users (bikes, cars, trucks, etc). And, if half the road users have towed a trailer sometime, there should even be instruction on small trailers.
I can remember warnings about trucks from long before I started driving.
I'm trying to think back to the State Driver's manual. Perhaps I'll snag another (new) copy.
I think most of it concentrated on the rules of the road. Signs, lanes, turning, etc.
However, it also needs a section on sharing the road with other road users (bikes, cars, trucks, etc). And, if half the road users have towed a trailer sometime, there should even be instruction on small trailers.
When I had a CDL, it was an unwritten rule to expect other road users to fail to understand what it takes to maneuver a commercial truck (turning, braking, accelerating, blind-spots... ) Frankly, there's a good reason for a CDL, commercial trucks require a lot more skill/knowledge to drive safely than the basic motor vehicle. Kinda kills me to see how easy it is for anybody to get a UHaul or RV and just drive down the road.
There should be better education for all road users about unique needs of diverse vehicles on the road (bicycle, motorcycle, trucks, semis, ... ). But that's not the country we live in, so it's up to us to educate each other.
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And although not driving has many things to recommend it, never having been trained to to do so (which is not entirely uncommon here in NYC) can mean a serious lack of perspective.
Of course walk a mile in the other person's shoes goes both ways: perhaps commercial driving school should require a day of roadway biking experience.
Of course walk a mile in the other person's shoes goes both ways: perhaps commercial driving school should require a day of roadway biking experience.
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Usually a good truck driver will turn around and look out his rear window, in this case look over his right shoulder, to see where the trailer is tracking... like how much of the curb he would hit/miss. Can't see this in the mirror. Apparently he didn't do this. If he did he would have seen the biker. Fail for him.
Biker shouldn't have been riding along side.... should've hung back. Fail for her... but she lived, and will probably never ride next to truck again.
Biker shouldn't have been riding along side.... should've hung back. Fail for her... but she lived, and will probably never ride next to truck again.
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Here's a longer video showing the rider in the bike lane passing before the truck signaled. It's impossible to know the riders position when the truck signaled and started his turn (sorry if this was posted early, I didn't take time to look for other postings)
Watching this video is terrifying every. single. time.
For those that have never been in the cab of a truck, here's a demo of the blind spots for a driver (UK video)
And here's best practices from CyclingSavvy:
Watching this video is terrifying every. single. time.
For those that have never been in the cab of a truck, here's a demo of the blind spots for a driver (UK video)
And here's best practices from CyclingSavvy:
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The longer video makes it really obvious that the cyclist couldn't have seen a signal from the truck, and was lucky she wasn't closer to the cab when he turned.
I guess the only thing to do is simply never pass on the right, even in a bike lane.
I guess the only thing to do is simply never pass on the right, even in a bike lane.
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It's undertaking, pure and simple. The difference is the cyclist has got their own lane, and that's what creates the false sense of security i mentioned earlier. You're simply cycling on a road, the so-called cycle lane means absolutely nothing, and should be treated that way.