Style versus Tradition versus what we are used to...
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Style versus Tradition versus what we are used to...
I have fallen backwards into liking these SSs as much as I do. Now, I am updating mine to get the look a bit better from my perspective. I asked for and got great feedback. Yet, after reading that and some C&V stuff and some roadie stuff, I was left wondering how much of this is just traditions some folks cannot get past or what people have come to expect. Our current styles are both loved and hated by equal quantities. Someone who loves the styling of a Venge is unlikely to like a C&V, even if it is a great example, and vice versa. Maybe someone needs to write a rule book, for some to follow and others to make fun of....
So, what camp are you in? Why? Do you even know your prejudices? And, can you honestly say you just do not care (knowing some folks will lie about this question)?
So, what camp are you in? Why? Do you even know your prejudices? And, can you honestly say you just do not care (knowing some folks will lie about this question)?
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It's very simple to me. It's bike, you turn the pedals to make it go. If you do that often and long enough, it'll eventually wear out, and you'll get another. Looks don't matter, as long as it goes when you turn the pedals, nothing else matters.
Of course you want it to be easy to turn those pedals for many hours, so mechanical considerations do count, but that's not difficult.
Yes, I'm not lying. I don't care and I never cared.
Of course you want it to be easy to turn those pedals for many hours, so mechanical considerations do count, but that's not difficult.
Yes, I'm not lying. I don't care and I never cared.
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A few examples. It appears that gumwalls are popular and viewed as "attractive" right now in the FG/SS world. I personally think of my childhood bikes when I see them, and I do not see them as attractive. For a lot of folks in the C&V world, Japanese parts on an old Italian or French bike is a sin, but for some of them it is a great way to get use out of a pretty old frame. In the Roadie world, the thought of clip pedals (yes a personal example) makes some of them cut their legs shaving. Yet, a lot of folks would not really notice a power delivery difference. Sorry, no good examples from the MTBing world.
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It's very simple to me. It's bike, you turn the pedals to make it go. If you do that often and long enough, it'll eventually wear out, and you'll get another. Looks don't matter, as long as it goes when you turn the pedals, nothing else matters.
Of course you want it to be easy to turn those pedals for many hours, so mechanical considerations do count, but that's not difficult.
Yes, I'm not lying. I don't care and I never cared.
Of course you want it to be easy to turn those pedals for many hours, so mechanical considerations do count, but that's not difficult.
Yes, I'm not lying. I don't care and I never cared.
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I tend to build bikes with straightforward groups because it's easier and cheaper, ie a Ti road bike with Chorus 10s. So they do start out with somewhat matched groups, however the rest is what I have laying around, or swiped from other bikes. But over time, they do get unmatched, ie. tires are replaced as needed, with whatever I have at the time. If I wreck a wheel, I'll rebuild, and often end up using a different rim.
But, my bikes don't get very unmatched, because they tend to last for years. My oldest still used bike is my track bike from 1969, and it's almost all original, except for the wheels (FB hub/Nisi rim front, SA 2s fixed hub/Mavic rim rear. (I sold the original wheel early on).
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Mis matched how?
I tend to build bikes with straightforward groups because it's easier and cheaper, ie a Ti road bike with Chorus 10s. So they do start out with somewhat matched groups, however the rest is what I have laying around, or swiped from other bikes. But over time, they do get unmatched, ie. tires are replaced as needed, with whatever I have at the time. If I wreck a wheel, I'll rebuild, and often end up using a different rim.
But, my bikes don't get very unmatched, because they tend to last for years. My oldest still used bike is my track bike from 1969, and it's almost all original, except for the wheels (FB hub/Nisi rim front, SA 2s fixed hub/Mavic rim rear. (I sold the original wheel early on).
I tend to build bikes with straightforward groups because it's easier and cheaper, ie a Ti road bike with Chorus 10s. So they do start out with somewhat matched groups, however the rest is what I have laying around, or swiped from other bikes. But over time, they do get unmatched, ie. tires are replaced as needed, with whatever I have at the time. If I wreck a wheel, I'll rebuild, and often end up using a different rim.
But, my bikes don't get very unmatched, because they tend to last for years. My oldest still used bike is my track bike from 1969, and it's almost all original, except for the wheels (FB hub/Nisi rim front, SA 2s fixed hub/Mavic rim rear. (I sold the original wheel early on).
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Sounds great to me. What motivated this thread for me, was that it appears that some folks truly care about what other people ride. I find that fascinating. And, it appears to me that a lot of this is based off of what people have gotten used to as "being" or "looking" right. Right being pretty darn squishy.
You had mentioned gum tires. I ride tubulars so have little choice about wall color when new, but all my tires are an uneven gray side wall from the aluminum dust washed out from the rims.
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I always prefer chocolate chip cookies that are a little bit soft even though a lot of traditionalists prefer them a little crispy.
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Like your bike, ride your bike. As long as it works for you and doesn't endanger yourself or others on the road, who cares?
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I would rather see threads like this than which is better Leader or State.....or I am looking for the best fixie under $300. Those are far worse.
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Sounds great to me. What motivated this thread for me, was that it appears that some folks truly care about what other people ride. I find that fascinating. And, it appears to me that a lot of this is based off of what people have gotten used to as "being" or "looking" right. Right being pretty darn squishy.
People only get caught up in stereotypes of specific styles (e.g. "classic" or whatever) because a norm is established that addresses these preferences, as well as functionality, in ways that are readily recognized; a taste for something different has to be learned or acquired.
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T13, I am going on a long hike today, so no threads today....
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FWIW, if you get a flat, it can make it easier to find out what caused the hole in a tube if you always line up the valve stem to the label. You can find the puncture location in the tube and then the corresponding thorn, etc. in the tire.