BQ article Rethinking the Gravel Bike
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Ha! Good one.
But seriously that is actually a useful term that describes a particular TYPE of hybrid.
Problem with the term “Hybrid” is that in includes everything from lightweight flat bar road bikes with 25c tires to borderline rigid mtbs, to comfort bikes.
But seriously that is actually a useful term that describes a particular TYPE of hybrid.
Problem with the term “Hybrid” is that in includes everything from lightweight flat bar road bikes with 25c tires to borderline rigid mtbs, to comfort bikes.
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Poor attempt at some snarky humor. I said not necessarily true because in my case I regularly ride a few non-technical single track trails near my house here in Belgium on 700cx38mm. There's been a couple of moments I wished I had 650bx2.1", but that desire quickly passes. I can definitely see the appeal, I just don't personally see the need...unless one wishes to use their gravel bike to ride the gnar, a decidedly unappealing thing to me.
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or an E-Bicycle with a drop bar, banana seat, front cargo crate, a carbon seat post, & 50 series 29nr tires.
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Poor attempt at some snarky humor. I said not necessarily true because in my case I regularly ride a few non-technical single track trails near my house here in Belgium on 700cx38mm. There's been a couple of moments I wished I had 650bx2.1", but that desire quickly passes. I can definitely see the appeal, I just don't personally see the need...unless one wishes to use their gravel bike to ride the gnar, a decidedly unappealing thing to me.
I wasn't saying a wider tire is needed, I was just saying that I could see a wider MTB tire appealing.
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I used to ride single track on slick 32s (that measured 35 inflated at 45psi)....I never found myself wanting, though once in a while I'd say bad words when I hit roots or exposed rock edges. I agree with you, some folks really want a plush smooth ride....on gravel. When I'm really saucy, I just look at them and say, "Have you considered a road bike?" Which in my part of the world is no improvement, Belgian paved roads tend to be a mixed bag, and they have cobblestones littered all over this country...leading to a whole 'nother discussion about tire width, pressures, and numb extremities.
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I'm no expert on the genre, but my 1992 Bruce Gordon Rock and Road Tour has seen plenty of unpaved miles. It easily accepts 2"/50mm tires, and also 32mm road tires, though not at the same time. It has drop bars and cantilever brakes, and is a pleasure to ride.
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I ride gravel on 32s at about 60-70 psi and don't feel too beaten-up, plus can maintain speeds from 15 to 20 MPH depending on % grade. on 25s I felt pummeled.
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"I'm offended by choice in bicycles" - people who keep posting "these gravel bikes are just marketing hype / nothing new, I owned a Bridgestone XO-1 in 1992 / 90's mountain bikes / unnecessary / etc." threads.
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chaadster, the bike was new at the time I converted to a drop bar ATB. Yes, they are common now, but in 95 not so. Used a set of long reach side pull brakes. I don't remember exactly the brand or model of the brakes, and they may have been BMX side pulls. To change back to ATB the wheels had to be changed and the handlebar plus controls. It was about a 40 minute process.
My vision is a mountain bike can do anything you want it to do, whereas a gravel bike is limited due to tire size. As the tires grow wider, so must the frame, hence they become ATB. Oh, one more thing. Head angle will go from 72 to 71 + 45 rake as they should have been all along. I hear complaints from gravel bike buyers that they want more stability on gravel. The way to get it is wider tires and more trail. Just like a mountain bike.
My vision is a mountain bike can do anything you want it to do, whereas a gravel bike is limited due to tire size. As the tires grow wider, so must the frame, hence they become ATB. Oh, one more thing. Head angle will go from 72 to 71 + 45 rake as they should have been all along. I hear complaints from gravel bike buyers that they want more stability on gravel. The way to get it is wider tires and more trail. Just like a mountain bike.
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I used to ride single track on slick 32s (that measured 35 inflated at 45psi)....I never found myself wanting, though once in a while I'd say bad words when I hit roots or exposed rock edges. I agree with you, some folks really want a plush smooth ride....on gravel. When I'm really saucy, I just look at them and say, "Have you considered a road bike?" Which in my part of the world is no improvement, Belgian paved roads tend to be a mixed bag, and they have cobblestones littered all over this country...leading to a whole 'nother discussion about tire width, pressures, and numb extremities.
I remember a light turning green on an uphill intersection during a misty Frankfurt morning.
Letting the clutch out slow as I could, I think the car stayed still until the tires boiled the water under them.
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Over the last 12 years I have built three very different "gravel" bikes for myself. All worked very well for the intended purpose of riding rail trails and taking on camping trips.
1987 Renegade Ranger (Raleigh Canada)
2016 Giant ATX
1995 Norco Katmandu
The first a Renegade Ranger (26") was a Raleigh Canada built bike for sporting goods stores. Using all vintage 1987 and earlier stuff from the parts bin, it was fun to ride.
The next was a 2016 Giant ATX hardtail (27.5") that saw use for many trips but was getting more use than my Salsa Vaya adventure bike, so I converted it back and sold it.
Currently I have a 1995 Norco Katmandu (26") that works even better than the previous ones. None of these bikes were particularly expensive bikes to start yet all have served the purpose well.
1987 Renegade Ranger (Raleigh Canada)
2016 Giant ATX
1995 Norco Katmandu
The first a Renegade Ranger (26") was a Raleigh Canada built bike for sporting goods stores. Using all vintage 1987 and earlier stuff from the parts bin, it was fun to ride.
The next was a 2016 Giant ATX hardtail (27.5") that saw use for many trips but was getting more use than my Salsa Vaya adventure bike, so I converted it back and sold it.
Currently I have a 1995 Norco Katmandu (26") that works even better than the previous ones. None of these bikes were particularly expensive bikes to start yet all have served the purpose well.
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Does anyone else remember hybrids being called "cross bikes"?
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My prediction is that the industry will continue to create more and more niches, and will eventually market “off-road performance commuters,” “all-gravel” bikes, “mountain road” bikes, and “enduro tourers.” Then the enthusiasts of each can further separate into micro-tribes and ridicule those who buy the unfashionable ones. I can hardly wait for the sub-forums.
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When we first started selling "hybrids" in our shop in the early 1990's, many people were also calling them "cross bikes". But then cyclocross rose in popularity in the states, and that sport quickly stole the term away from the booming hybrid market. Very few people knew about the existence of cyclocross in our market in the early to mid 90s.
Does anyone else remember hybrids being called "cross bikes"?
Does anyone else remember hybrids being called "cross bikes"?
I haven’t been following the segment nr reading the thread, but if the term hybrid still exists in use by bike companies today, I’d assume it refers to hybridization of a full-on sports bike of any type and a recreational/casual bike, particularly in terms of cost.
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For sure, yes, and the reason was plain: they were a cross between a road bike and an MTB. Back in those days, there was none of the confusion that folks seem to have today about the term “hybrid,” because there were really only two kinds of bikes which anyone cared about.
I haven’t been following the segment nr reading the thread, but if the term hybrid still exists in use by bike companies today, I’d assume it refers to hybridization of a full-on sports bike of any type and a recreational/casual bike, particularly in terms of cost.
I haven’t been following the segment nr reading the thread, but if the term hybrid still exists in use by bike companies today, I’d assume it refers to hybridization of a full-on sports bike of any type and a recreational/casual bike, particularly in terms of cost.
But if you say "cross bike" to anyone in 2021, they will definitely assume you're talking about a cyclocross machine.
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The latest edition of Bicycle Quarterly has an article titled Rethinking the Gravel Bike. This is my take-a-way from article. After reading it I sighed relief that there is someone else out there that sees what I see. In the mid-nineties my commute to work was 15 miles and it took me down railroad tracks on pavement, and across a field to save a few miles. Had a Raleigh mountain bike that I installed 700c wheels, 32c cyclocross tires and drop bars. I was able to change from 32 to 55mm tires simply by changing the wheelset from 700c back to the stock 26".
In this article the author comments on the ever growing width of tires in the "gravel" category as people are finding wider tires can be a bonus. In the end my conclusion is that the "gravel" bike will eventually morph into what I really is, a mountain bike with some frame mods to make road riding a bit nicer than the commuter I ran some 25 years ago.
In this article the author comments on the ever growing width of tires in the "gravel" category as people are finding wider tires can be a bonus. In the end my conclusion is that the "gravel" bike will eventually morph into what I really is, a mountain bike with some frame mods to make road riding a bit nicer than the commuter I ran some 25 years ago.
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My prediction is that the industry will continue to create more and more niches, and will eventually market “off-road performance commuters,” “all-gravel” bikes, “mountain road” bikes, and “enduro tourers.” Then the enthusiasts of each can further separate into micro-tribes and ridicule those who buy the unfashionable ones. I can hardly wait for the sub-forums.
So, perhaps we will end up with “gravel bikes”and “stone bikes”? Maybe specific tires optimized for the different materials and surface conditions? Lots of opportunities to create even more niche markets! Gravel riders can ridicule stoners and stoners can ridicule the gravel heads! 😊
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The latest edition of Bicycle Quarterly has an article titled Rethinking the Gravel Bike. This is my take-a-way from article. After reading it I sighed relief that there is someone else out there that sees what I see. In the mid-nineties my commute to work was 15 miles and it took me down railroad tracks on pavement, and across a field to save a few miles. Had a Raleigh mountain bike that I installed 700c wheels, 32c cyclocross tires and drop bars. I was able to change from 32 to 55mm tires simply by changing the wheelset from 700c back to the stock 26".
In this article the author comments on the ever growing width of tires in the "gravel" category as people are finding wider tires can be a bonus. In the end my conclusion is that the "gravel" bike will eventually morph into what I really is, a mountain bike with some frame mods to make road riding a bit nicer than the commuter I ran some 25 years ago.
In this article the author comments on the ever growing width of tires in the "gravel" category as people are finding wider tires can be a bonus. In the end my conclusion is that the "gravel" bike will eventually morph into what I really is, a mountain bike with some frame mods to make road riding a bit nicer than the commuter I ran some 25 years ago.
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Around here, we don’t really have any gravel on roads or trails. Gravel comes from streams and they use It in other parts of the state. On our unimproved roads and various trails, we use crushed stone (generally limestone) that is quarried and crushed to the specified range of sizes.
Maybe we'll have to start calling them aggregate bikes, because that covers a lot more types of road surface than "gravel" does. PDF warning.
https://www.dirtandgravel.psu.edu/si...regate_101.pdf
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My mid 90's Specialized Hardrock full rigid was the epitome of bicycle technology. Everything before was lacking, and everything since is frivolous marketing fluff.