How much travel is too much on front forks? - cross country bike
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How much travel is too much on front forks? - cross country bike
So I'm looking at buying a mountain bike. I think I have the bike narrowed down, but I'm concerned the front travel - 160mm - is too much for the type of riding I'm going to be doing.
In short, how do you know you're buying the right bike? I've been reading reviews like crazy and am still no closer to making a decision.
In short, how do you know you're buying the right bike? I've been reading reviews like crazy and am still no closer to making a decision.
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So I'm looking at buying a mountain bike. I think I have the bike narrowed down, but I'm concerned the front travel - 160mm - is too much for the type of riding I'm going to be doing.
In short, how do you know you're buying the right bike? I've been reading reviews like crazy and am still no closer to making a decision.
In short, how do you know you're buying the right bike? I've been reading reviews like crazy and am still no closer to making a decision.
Where I live our trails are smooth and I see a lot of 100 - 120 mm travel 29ers. Whereas a 160 mm fork is one I would associate with enduro racing and aggressive riding over rough terrain with fair-size drops.
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Some of the newer trail bikes are spec'd for 150 front forks but that seems to be the upper limit. More than that is an uphill/downhill bike, not a trail bike IMO. I'd be perfectly all right with 130, I'm not fast or brave.
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I see you're from British Columbia, my media-fueled gut reaction is every trail there is like a Whistler Bike Park gnar feast so you'll need 160mm or more - but, of course, I have no freakin' idea.... I've never been to BC.
JonathanGennick's suggestion of checking out your MTB colleagues to see what they are riding is spot on. Also, speak with your LBS. A good LBS is worth its weight in gold (imho)
JonathanGennick's suggestion of checking out your MTB colleagues to see what they are riding is spot on. Also, speak with your LBS. A good LBS is worth its weight in gold (imho)
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@PickleRick I don't think I'll be bombing down the bike part or doing some crazy downhill. In speaking with friends who are riding XC, 160mm seems like a lot of travel for them. 150mm is apparently pretty good for the riding I'm thinking of doing.
@Darth Lefty Yeah, I've seen a couple of bikes for sale here with 130mm of travel. That would work too.
@Darth Lefty Yeah, I've seen a couple of bikes for sale here with 130mm of travel. That would work too.
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Yeah, I would see what other people are riding for the terrain you are going to be riding. "Smooth" and "gnarly" and even "XC" mean very different things to different people and varies a bit by location.
Also, the difference in feel between 150mm and 160mm travel by itself (all else equal) is pretty negligible. Spring rate/curve, damping settings, and fork stiffness will make more of a difference than 10mm travel.
That said, I rode everything from long smooth xc rides to big stuff in Moab on a 140mm fork for many many years (2005 RS Pike with some mods). I now do it all on a 160mm fork (2013 RS Lyrik), but in reality I have never seen the last 15mm travel, so I guess it is 145mm for all practical purposes. But it FEELS like a lot more travel, for better and for worse.
I would consider the whole bike rather than just the fork.
Also, the difference in feel between 150mm and 160mm travel by itself (all else equal) is pretty negligible. Spring rate/curve, damping settings, and fork stiffness will make more of a difference than 10mm travel.
That said, I rode everything from long smooth xc rides to big stuff in Moab on a 140mm fork for many many years (2005 RS Pike with some mods). I now do it all on a 160mm fork (2013 RS Lyrik), but in reality I have never seen the last 15mm travel, so I guess it is 145mm for all practical purposes. But it FEELS like a lot more travel, for better and for worse.
I would consider the whole bike rather than just the fork.
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I see no problem with a long travel, except an extra lb or two. If its properly set up, those hybrids with 50 - 63mm of travel will seldom use the full travel. You could add 100mm and as long as it doesn't compromise the bikes geometry, It won't change the bikes characteristics.
The quality of the fork and adjustment options are more important then too much travel.
The quality of the fork and adjustment options are more important then too much travel.
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When I asked my LBS to put suspension forks on my Sedona, He told me my bike was not made for them and advised against it.
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So I'm looking at buying a mountain bike. I think I have the bike narrowed down, but I'm concerned the front travel - 160mm - is too much for the type of riding I'm going to be doing.
In short, how do you know you're buying the right bike? I've been reading reviews like crazy and am still no closer to making a decision.
In short, how do you know you're buying the right bike? I've been reading reviews like crazy and am still no closer to making a decision.
Though I see you are in BC, which has some of the best enduro/AM trails
Are you sure you're looking for a XC bike?
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Yeah, I'm 99% sure I'm looking for a XC bike. I don't see myself doing any downhill bombs or whatnot. But you are certainly right about the downhill trails here in BC. There are a lot of them.
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So I'm taking a gander at purchasing a trailblazing bicycle. I think I have the bicycle limited, yet I'm concerned the front travel - 160mm - is a lot for the kind of riding I will do.
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XC bikes are general spec'd with 100 or 120mm forks and 100mm or so shocks.
Go to the next range with 130-140mm forked bikes with 120-130mm rear and you'll have a more Trail spec'd bike. The Trail bike will have a more relax geo and slacker front to make downhill sections less twitchy and more fun. I personally don't think you'll give up much in speed going from a XC to a Trail bike. IMO XC bikes exist for two reasons, folks who race and those who want a hardtail but don't want the beating of one. I primarily ride HTs, cause I like the beating.. but my favorite FS is a 140front 135rear Banshee. I can ride fast flowy trails and take on moderately tech DH shoots with one bike.
Check out Santa Cruz, they are pretty spot on for the different geos and travel ranges.
Blur is the new gen XC bike with a slack front but still 100mm in the rear
Hightower is their bike most similar to my Banshee Prime, but in carbon
However, given the few bits I picked up from you posts and location, I consider the new Tallboy. They just redesigned it as V4 with 130front and 120rear
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...allboy-review/
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Yeah I agree. I think the 120-140ish bikes are really the best of both world unless you are racing XC or Enduro. There is very little downside to my Intense Spider 140/130 bike on XC trails and when I do hit the bigger stuff it has enough travel not to beat me to death.
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Real XC bikes are for racing. This year Trek refreshed the Fuel EX and a new XC bike, the Supercaliber. The Fuel is the one they want everyone to buy. Although following industry trends it's going to be a really friendly bike like a Stumpjumper or anything else in the category. 140/130 travel and available at a lot of price points. The Supercaliber has a fancy flexing carbon frame to eliminate pivots and 100mm front/80mm rear travel, and it co$ts
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/fuel-ex/
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/supercaliber/
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/fuel-ex/
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/supercaliber/
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That will dictate what fork length you can use.
Having ridden around North Vancouver and at Whistler, I would not want a true XC bike (100 - 120mm travel).
I rode my XC bike in the Seymour Creek area last time I was over, but would want my longer travel bike anywhere else.
My cousin's husband Chris lives and rides locally and has just moved to a DeVinci e-bike which gives him the travel he wants plus helps him to cover more ground.
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I'm over 200 pounds and a 160 fork works for me. It saves my ass when I get into rocky stuff or when I get too ambitious on rough descents.
Another thing is the diameter of the stanchions. 36 mm turns without deflecting and it just goes where I point it, unlike some lighter forks I have used.
Yeah it's a little heavier than smaller forks but it's good insurance against my lack of skill.
Another thing is the diameter of the stanchions. 36 mm turns without deflecting and it just goes where I point it, unlike some lighter forks I have used.
Yeah it's a little heavier than smaller forks but it's good insurance against my lack of skill.
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What frame are you looking to marry it up with?
That will dictate what fork length you can use.
Having ridden around North Vancouver and at Whistler, I would not want a true XC bike (100 - 120nn travel).
I rode my XC bike in the Seymour Creek area last time I was over, but would want my longer travel bike anywhere else.
My cousin's husband Chris lives and rides locally and has just moved to a DeVinci e-bike which gives him the travel he wants plus helps him to cover more ground.
That will dictate what fork length you can use.
Having ridden around North Vancouver and at Whistler, I would not want a true XC bike (100 - 120nn travel).
I rode my XC bike in the Seymour Creek area last time I was over, but would want my longer travel bike anywhere else.
My cousin's husband Chris lives and rides locally and has just moved to a DeVinci e-bike which gives him the travel he wants plus helps him to cover more ground.
I don't plan on doing jumps, and wheels will likely stay on the ground more often than in the air. Most, if not all of my rides will be on green and blue trails. I foresee rolling over drops as oppose to dropping over them.
If I do ride the Whistler bike park, I won't be hitting up any of the black runs or taking the jumps.
I know many of the bikes I see on the trails and in the area are in the 140mm - 160mm range. But I am hopeful the 120mm of travel will work for me.
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I ended up getting a bike with 120mm of travel in the front and a 100mm in the back.
I don't plan on doing jumps, and wheels will likely stay on the ground more often than in the air. Most, if not all of my rides will be on green and blue trails. I foresee rolling over drops as oppose to dropping over them.
If I do ride the Whistler bike park, I won't be hitting up any of the black runs or taking the jumps.
I know many of the bikes I see on the trails and in the area are in the 140mm - 160mm range. But I am hopeful the 120mm of travel will work for me.
I don't plan on doing jumps, and wheels will likely stay on the ground more often than in the air. Most, if not all of my rides will be on green and blue trails. I foresee rolling over drops as oppose to dropping over them.
If I do ride the Whistler bike park, I won't be hitting up any of the black runs or taking the jumps.
I know many of the bikes I see on the trails and in the area are in the 140mm - 160mm range. But I am hopeful the 120mm of travel will work for me.
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I ended up getting a bike with 120mm of travel in the front and a 100mm in the back.
I don't plan on doing jumps, and wheels will likely stay on the ground more often than in the air. Most, if not all of my rides will be on green and blue trails. I foresee rolling over drops as oppose to dropping over them.
If I do ride the Whistler bike park, I won't be hitting up any of the black runs or taking the jumps.
I know many of the bikes I see on the trails and in the area are in the 140mm - 160mm range. But I am hopeful the 120mm of travel will work for me.
I don't plan on doing jumps, and wheels will likely stay on the ground more often than in the air. Most, if not all of my rides will be on green and blue trails. I foresee rolling over drops as oppose to dropping over them.
If I do ride the Whistler bike park, I won't be hitting up any of the black runs or taking the jumps.
I know many of the bikes I see on the trails and in the area are in the 140mm - 160mm range. But I am hopeful the 120mm of travel will work for me.
What you get?
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I pick the bike up on Saturday. Pics to follow. Thanks for the guidance/input.
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There are a lot of bikes on the market with 160mm forks that pedal very well and are entirely enjoyable on relatively XC trails, but much of the travel won't be used. The industry is moving towards 130-150mm of travel for general purpose trail bikes on 27.5" bikes and 120-140mm for 29" bikes. Suspension design for the frame also plays a pretty significant role in how efficiently the bike pedals and how supportive the bike feels near sag.
OP: Sounds like you picked an appropriate bike for your use; I hope you enjoy it.
Honestly a lot of hard charging riders enjoy relatively short travel bikes because they ride with finesse and may prioritize a more supportive feel to the suspension, and a lot of relatively gentle riders like the very plush, linear suspension performance of a longer travel bike on easy terrain. As long as what you're on makes sane sense, there's a lot of room for personal preference.
OP: Sounds like you picked an appropriate bike for your use; I hope you enjoy it.
Honestly a lot of hard charging riders enjoy relatively short travel bikes because they ride with finesse and may prioritize a more supportive feel to the suspension, and a lot of relatively gentle riders like the very plush, linear suspension performance of a longer travel bike on easy terrain. As long as what you're on makes sane sense, there's a lot of room for personal preference.