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Gravel Bar Questions
The bike I normally ride on gravel has conventional compact drop bars. It is an FSA carbon bar, and is quite comfortable, so I am reluctant to change it. I ride mostly on the hoods, and the configuration is ideal. When I am on the drops, near the bar ends, it is satisfactory. When I am on the drops, near the curve and brake levers, I find my hands hurt, specifically on the palm side at the base of the thumbs.
On a whim, I bought something called the FSA adventure bar. It is aluminum and I think I got it for $30. It has the same reach, compact radius for the drop, etc, but a very modest 12° flare. So it preserves everything I like about the conventional FSA compact carbon bars (except for the carbon), but adds a small amount of flare which I find relieves the above complaint. (I put these on my touring bike.)
Unfortunately, I cannot find the same thing in carbon. For whatever reason, FSA doesn't make them, at least from what I can see. So does anyone know of something similar from another manufacturer? The size is nominally 44cm, but the C-C distance where the brakes get mounted in each case is 42cm. For the conventional FSA compact bars, the C-C distance at the bar ends of the drops is 44cm. For the aluminum adventure bars, it is 49.5cm.
On a whim, I bought something called the FSA adventure bar. It is aluminum and I think I got it for $30. It has the same reach, compact radius for the drop, etc, but a very modest 12° flare. So it preserves everything I like about the conventional FSA compact carbon bars (except for the carbon), but adds a small amount of flare which I find relieves the above complaint. (I put these on my touring bike.)
Unfortunately, I cannot find the same thing in carbon. For whatever reason, FSA doesn't make them, at least from what I can see. So does anyone know of something similar from another manufacturer? The size is nominally 44cm, but the C-C distance where the brakes get mounted in each case is 42cm. For the conventional FSA compact bars, the C-C distance at the bar ends of the drops is 44cm. For the aluminum adventure bars, it is 49.5cm.
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I ride the FSA Omega on my road bikes, and I find Salsa cowbells to have very similar geometry plus some flare.
You can try the Salsa Aluminum for $50, then invest in carbon if you are happy with the shape.
You can try the Salsa Aluminum for $50, then invest in carbon if you are happy with the shape.
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Those would have been perfect, except for the reach (68mm vs. 80mm).
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I'm reading some reviews on the Enve gravel bar, which has the 80mm reach. One review says an advantage is that the brakes remain vertical, like on a standard bar, which I kind of like:
But then I read another review, and it shows the same levers I have, and they look like they are at a 30° angle. I wonder what is going on?
Are there two different versions of this, or what is going on?
Also, the circumcised bar ends kind of give me the creeps.
When the G Series showed up, I was initially worried that the hoods were going to be some funky angle that was going to be awkward, but that is not the case. The bar is 90-degree to the horizontal where hoods clamp. This is also where the bar is measured.
But then I read another review, and it shows the same levers I have, and they look like they are at a 30° angle. I wonder what is going on?
Are there two different versions of this, or what is going on?
Also, the circumcised bar ends kind of give me the creeps.
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I'm reading some reviews on the Enve gravel bar, which has the 80mm reach. One review says an advantage is that the brakes remain vertical, like on a standard bar, which I kind of like:
But then I read another review, and it shows the same levers I have, and they look like they are at a 30° angle. I wonder what is going on?
Are there two different versions of this, or what is going on?
Also, the circumcised bar ends kind of give me the creeps.
But then I read another review, and it shows the same levers I have, and they look like they are at a 30° angle. I wonder what is going on?
Are there two different versions of this, or what is going on?
Also, the circumcised bar ends kind of give me the creeps.
I had a bit of a look around including What Bars but couldn't see see anything with similar stack/reach in carbon. 3t has their Superghiaia carbon which is 420*** at hoods and also has that vertical hoods design. Though rest of bar numbers are different.
***These 420 bars may not be out yet. See 3t blog comments on this bar.
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I'm reading some reviews on the Enve gravel bar, which has the 80mm reach. One review says an advantage is that the brakes remain vertical, like on a standard bar, which I kind of like:
But then I read another review, and it shows the same levers I have, and they look like they are at a 30° angle. I wonder what is going on?
Are there two different versions of this, or what is going on?
Also, the circumcised bar ends kind of give me the creeps.
But then I read another review, and it shows the same levers I have, and they look like they are at a 30° angle. I wonder what is going on?
Are there two different versions of this, or what is going on?
Also, the circumcised bar ends kind of give me the creeps.
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$200-300 stems?! Nice alloy stems equal to the craziest weight weenie stuff on the market are like $60. Can't imagine how you can spend $200 except on something claiming to be carbon; stems are a rather poor application for carbon, they're almost never actually carbon, and not lighter anyway. My generic Taiwan 100mm stem ($30) is 107g and plenty stiff for my 46cm bars and 200+lb self. S-Works (alloy) is 110g. I don't see anything more than $150 at JensonUSA today. Anyway -
I have the Salsa Carbon Cowbells, and I think they might fit the bill. Though if I was shopping for a new carbon bar today, I'd have a look at the ergo FSA K-Wing AGX. Looks like it would improve wrist angle on the tops (my wrists are a little sensitive from various injuries)
I have the Salsa Carbon Cowbells, and I think they might fit the bill. Though if I was shopping for a new carbon bar today, I'd have a look at the ergo FSA K-Wing AGX. Looks like it would improve wrist angle on the tops (my wrists are a little sensitive from various injuries)
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Salsa Cowbell carbon and a 10mm longer stem gives you the same effective result as what you have. Bar stats are 115mm drop, 68mm reach, 12degree flare.
Its the same 12degree flare, basically the same drop, and itll be the same reach with a longer stem.
Plus, its 100g lighter than your current bars.
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I also prefer to run a 12 degree bar (Ritchey Butano), but that's alloy only too. I think what you're looking for is the Whisky No.9 12F carbon bar.
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wat? Is your stem dipped in gold and bejeweled in diamonds?
Salsa Cowbell carbon and a 10mm longer stem gives you the same effective result as what you have. Bar stats are 115mm drop, 68mm reach, 12degree flare.
Its the same 12degree flare, basically the same drop, and itll be the same reach with a longer stem.
Plus, its 100g lighter than your current bars.
Salsa Cowbell carbon and a 10mm longer stem gives you the same effective result as what you have. Bar stats are 115mm drop, 68mm reach, 12degree flare.
Its the same 12degree flare, basically the same drop, and itll be the same reach with a longer stem.
Plus, its 100g lighter than your current bars.
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[QUOTE=HD3andMe;21561023]
Thanks. That is really helpful.
I also didn't know there was a gravel road on Diablo. (I did the road ride once around 1987.) Maybe it is time to go back....
Might be where the levers are mounted on the bars, higher in the first picture and lower in the second one.[/QUOTE
This is correct. I love my 48s.
You can get a better feel for how vertical the levers are in action here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIpCnNsPS0E
This is correct. I love my 48s.
You can get a better feel for how vertical the levers are in action here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIpCnNsPS0E
I also didn't know there was a gravel road on Diablo. (I did the road ride once around 1987.) Maybe it is time to go back....
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If you like to ride with your hands on the tops often, I highly recommend you consider bars with a 4 or 5 degree sweep back design, very very comfortable. Of course that narrows the options and might end up forcing you to swap for a longer stem because it makes the effective reach shorter. Pro Discover Carbon bars have the sweep.
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So carbon in the handlebar space really only nets you shape options. If you like round bars, you might be happiest with an AL bar given a wide array of options. I think most of the bars in this space are going to be shallower and shorter, with longer drops (meaning they are meant for a longer stem).
Note:
1) that measurements are different company to company - for example a 42cm Easton bar is the same width as the 44cm 3t bar i had despite both quoting hood c-to-c.
2) Flare is not the bar tips splayed out to the pointing away from the bike. Flare is the bars spread away from the, but parellel to it. "Outward Sweep" or "Z-Flare" are the bar ends pointed away from center.
FSA has the Carbon K-wing, which has weird pockets for your palms.
This might be better for you. https://us.3t.bike/en/products/dropb...hiaia-562.html
I'd suggest looking at the product technical drawings.
https://shop.fullspeedahead.com/en/f...3bdfd247d8404/
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/00...e_AX.pdf?62361
https://us.ritcheylogic.com/media/it...ec-diagram.pdf
Note:
1) that measurements are different company to company - for example a 42cm Easton bar is the same width as the 44cm 3t bar i had despite both quoting hood c-to-c.
2) Flare is not the bar tips splayed out to the pointing away from the bike. Flare is the bars spread away from the, but parellel to it. "Outward Sweep" or "Z-Flare" are the bar ends pointed away from center.
FSA has the Carbon K-wing, which has weird pockets for your palms.
This might be better for you. https://us.3t.bike/en/products/dropb...hiaia-562.html
I'd suggest looking at the product technical drawings.
https://shop.fullspeedahead.com/en/f...3bdfd247d8404/
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/00...e_AX.pdf?62361
https://us.ritcheylogic.com/media/it...ec-diagram.pdf
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Sean, I expected better from you! :-)
You hit a bump or are riding on rough road you want some deflection and dampening. Generally, more flexy bars will be more comfortable and the material play a major role in dampening. Keep in mind that I don't think any bar is going to flex that much from the stem to the hoods.
So... It easy to make a stiff, cheap handlebar. You can use thick wall metal can bend it the simplest way possible, then heat treat it the fastest way possible. One reason people may think AL bars suck is because the stock units that come on most bikes are almost universally cheap, stiff units. It's not the material it's how you use it. Unlike frames, bars are open ended. Round tube AL frames shake the crap out of you because they can't flex well. Here it's open ended with free movement and we can fiddle with the material with less restrictions.
Here you can see, as implemented, an AL bar will flex just as much as a carbon one. Road Handlebar Review - Fairwheel Bikes Blog
As for dampening, you've got the bars wrapped in tape and your body is enough of a dampener to kill the oscillations - plus you've got a big tire and dirt under you. In any case, you can make a comfy, light AL handle bar. Carbon allows you to shape the bar more easily, so you can make the part where your palm sits fatter and for the bar to have more bends. It'll be lighter, but like stems, carbon handlebars don't tend to be all that much lighter than the AL versions (30-40gr).
I have carbon bars on both my bikes, but I wouldn't buy a handlebar because it is carbon. Internal cable routing, flat top/aero profiles, and more contours make the difference for me.
You hit a bump or are riding on rough road you want some deflection and dampening. Generally, more flexy bars will be more comfortable and the material play a major role in dampening. Keep in mind that I don't think any bar is going to flex that much from the stem to the hoods.
So... It easy to make a stiff, cheap handlebar. You can use thick wall metal can bend it the simplest way possible, then heat treat it the fastest way possible. One reason people may think AL bars suck is because the stock units that come on most bikes are almost universally cheap, stiff units. It's not the material it's how you use it. Unlike frames, bars are open ended. Round tube AL frames shake the crap out of you because they can't flex well. Here it's open ended with free movement and we can fiddle with the material with less restrictions.
Here you can see, as implemented, an AL bar will flex just as much as a carbon one. Road Handlebar Review - Fairwheel Bikes Blog
As for dampening, you've got the bars wrapped in tape and your body is enough of a dampener to kill the oscillations - plus you've got a big tire and dirt under you. In any case, you can make a comfy, light AL handle bar. Carbon allows you to shape the bar more easily, so you can make the part where your palm sits fatter and for the bar to have more bends. It'll be lighter, but like stems, carbon handlebars don't tend to be all that much lighter than the AL versions (30-40gr).
I have carbon bars on both my bikes, but I wouldn't buy a handlebar because it is carbon. Internal cable routing, flat top/aero profiles, and more contours make the difference for me.
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