Salsa Marrakesh or Surly LHT?
12-21-18, 12:28 AM
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Glad you like the LHT
But I think the LHT is just overkill. Not just the ones you mentioned: the down shifters, pump peg etc, but the ENTIRE bike is overkill. Its designed like a tank and most days how often do we actually need to haul 40 pounds?
Give me my 25 pound Fuji touring anyway day of the week!
Give me my 25 pound Fuji touring anyway day of the week!
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And the most obtrusive is the dropouts. The tubes (fork and rear) leading to the dropouts do not taper at all, instead they cut out the tube and place a reinforcement at the end of the tube .
With racks and fenders, the quick release lever on the wheel has practically no space. I have found 1 position , but even that one is not perfect.
Anyone have a solution for this?
With racks and fenders, the quick release lever on the wheel has practically no space. I have found 1 position , but even that one is not perfect.
Anyone have a solution for this?
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But I think the LHT is just overkill. Not just the ones you mentioned: the down shifters, pump peg etc, but the ENTIRE bike is overkill. Its designed like a tank and most days how often do we actually need to haul 40 pounds?
Give me my 25 pound Fuji touring anyway day of the week!
Give me my 25 pound Fuji touring anyway day of the week!
12-21-18, 09:33 AM
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12-21-18, 02:18 PM
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WRT LHT's pump peg, you can still buy frame pumps, Zefal HPX and Silca for example. I have a 28-year-old Zefal pump in good condition which fits my Disk Trucker frame, but I no longer use it. Frame pumps have fallen in popularity even in the touring bike niche in favor of smaller, lighter pumps, some of which can be foot-anchored to the ground for better stability and less likelihood of tube stem damage. Here is an excellent review of the two most commonly used and recommended pumps on this subforum:
https://www.bikeforums.net/touring/1...html?styleid=8
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12-21-18, 04:41 PM
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I have a current model Topeak frame pump and love it. I’ve had it for probably five years now with zero issues and have used it quite a bit. I believe I did unscrew the end and apply some grease to the o-ring once, taking all of one minute worth of work. I think it’s nicer to air up a tire with than one of the really small pumps.
12-22-18, 10:32 AM
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Any suggestions?
Finished assembly, I like a lot of things about the LHT frame, but a couple of things that I do not like.
First is the down tube lever mounts. Considering that 10% of riders might still use these shift levers, 90% do not. If Surly does not want to change the design, at least include some cable stoppers with the frame.
The often mentioned air pump nipple that could hold one if, you happen to have a pump from the 70s
And the most obtrusive is the dropouts. The tubes (fork and rear) leading to the dropouts do not taper at all, instead they cut out the tube and place a reinforcement at the end of the tube .
With racks and fenders, the quick release lever on the wheel has practically no space. I have found 1 position , but even that one is not perfect.
Anyone have a solution for this?
Oh, and one more thing: The foam wrapping they use to package the individual tubing actually scratches the surface of the finish
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12-22-18, 11:24 AM
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Any suggestions?
Finished assembly, I like a lot of things about the LHT frame, but a couple of things that I do not like.
First is the down tube lever mounts. Considering that 10% of riders might still use these shift levers, 90% do not. If Surly does not want to change the design, at least include some cable stoppers with the frame.
The often mentioned air pump nipple that could hold one if, you happen to have a pump from the 70s
And the most obtrusive is the dropouts. The tubes (fork and rear) leading to the dropouts do not taper at all, instead they cut out the tube and place a reinforcement at the end of the tube .
With racks and fenders, the quick release lever on the wheel has practically no space. I have found 1 position , but even that one is not perfect.
Anyone have a solution for this?
Oh, and one more thing: The foam wrapping they use to package the individual tubing actually scratches the surface of the finish
Cheers
12-22-18, 11:50 AM
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Any suggestions?
Finished assembly, I like a lot of things about the LHT frame, but a couple of things that I do not like.
First is the down tube lever mounts. Considering that 10% of riders might still use these shift levers, 90% do not. If Surly does not want to change the design, at least include some cable stoppers with the frame.
The often mentioned air pump nipple that could hold one if, you happen to have a pump from the 70s
And the most obtrusive is the dropouts. The tubes (fork and rear) leading to the dropouts do not taper at all, instead they cut out the tube and place a reinforcement at the end of the tube .
With racks and fenders, the quick release lever on the wheel has practically no space. I have found 1 position , but even that one is not perfect.
Anyone have a solution for this?
Oh, and one more thing: The foam wrapping they use to package the individual tubing actually scratches the surface of the finish
Cheers
front of fork tip eyelet not used ..
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12-22-18, 12:23 PM
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12-22-18, 01:40 PM
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I am a summer Shop mechanic, at the western end of a lot of bike tours and see many people's winging the rack installations..
& Many bikes don't have double eyelet fork dropouts,, so rather logical to not design a product for too small a market segment ...
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& Many bikes don't have double eyelet fork dropouts,, so rather logical to not design a product for too small a market segment ...
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12-22-18, 11:35 PM
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Just want to second the hex skewers. They weigh less and slow down a thief for a couple of seconds. Plus i love pump pegs. A full size zefal frame pump makes me happy. I also dig barcons so the shifter mounts on the downtube make sense to me.
Having said all that, i ride a bob jackson world tourist, but i think the lht is a hell of a frameset.
Having said all that, i ride a bob jackson world tourist, but i think the lht is a hell of a frameset.
12-24-18, 12:08 AM
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I may have to find another solution.
Thinking about attaching the fender supports to the inside of the dropouts. Will need to find a flat head screw for that. Or just change fenders to the light weight style that only uses the upper bolt for installation (quick install).
Good thing it is winter and have time to work this out.
12-24-18, 01:17 PM
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Great! It solved the lever problem, but created another lesser problem. Moving the rack to the rear bolt, the front support that joins the 2 sides now how has about 1cm (1/2") clearance from the tire. Which is fine for a 38c tire, but worrying if I go up in size. I may have to find another solution. Thinking about attaching the fender supports to the inside of the dropouts. Will need to find a flat head screw for that. Or just change fenders to the light weight style that only uses the upper bolt for installation (quick install). Good thing it is winter and have time to work this out.
Nearly every fender (and rack) installation is a "custom" job requiring trial and error fitting, some bending, an assortment of unusual fasteners and spacers and resourcefulness on the part of the installer. In other words, it's almost always a surprising PITA to do, so take your time and get it right. Use blue Loctite or similar threadlocker to keep fasteners from loosening and falling out down the road - and carry spare fender & rack fasteners just in case the Loctite fails.
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11-05-19, 11:53 PM
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Cube, Diamont and Radon make numerous models, but I would not consider them "full tourers"
Fahrradmanufaktur
Cinelli has the Hobootleg
Bombtrack
Koga
I considered them all, but I guess I wanted to build a bike from the frame and the LHT was always the bike that said "Tour the world"
11-06-19, 02:48 AM
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I'd never heard of Fahrradmanufaktur. I kind of want one of these just so I can have Fahrradmanufaktur painted on the downtube. What a name...
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I did a fair bit of research into European brands and There are several, but few are dedicated full time tourers.
Cube, Diamont and Radon make numerous models, but I would not consider them "full tourers"
Fahrradmanufaktur
Cinelli has the Hobootleg
Bombtrack
Koga
I considered them all, but I guess I wanted to build a bike from the frame and the LHT was always the bike that said "Tour the world"
Cube, Diamont and Radon make numerous models, but I would not consider them "full tourers"
Fahrradmanufaktur
Cinelli has the Hobootleg
Bombtrack
Koga
I considered them all, but I guess I wanted to build a bike from the frame and the LHT was always the bike that said "Tour the world"
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If we are going to throw euro tourers around then ... Santos :-)
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We sell both in our shop and in almost every case of selling one against the other we erecommend the Marakesh as it is a bit livelier and more fun to ride when you are not touring. The LHT has a reputation as bombproof, but really so is the Marakesh and it is a bit more modern and more fun to ride. Both can be taken around the world multiple times without problems (not just the LHT as everyone thinks!)
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